Losses at the Forest Service

[Justabirdwatcher]

You're not wrong, but there is much more at play than veterans who are unfamiliar with administrative processes that can vary from place to place. Having worked at the VA I can tell you that some systems and processes are a pain in the ass for employees as much as veterans. Lack of standardization is a major issue from what I had seen. The excessive wait times, redundant paperwork and lost records and documentation are inexcusable.

I've often told people that if you think it's hard (dealing with the government) from the outside, you should try it from the inside sometime. There is huge room for gains in efficiency. Updated processes and standardization are one. Contracting is a HUGE one. Hiring is another. And believe me, nobody wants to see these gains more than the employees themselves who have to deal with the ridiculous rules and restrictions every single day (not just on the odd occasion that they deal with a gov office). But it pays to keep in mind where these rules and regulations come from - Congress. And where does Congress get the ideas for the added rules and regulations? Their constituents! This is how it works folks. Like it or not, admit it or not. Given the power to find and put into place efficiencies and savings, nearly every federal employee would do exactly that. But they aren't allowed to, because of rules and laws promulgated by (guess who....).

Imagine a large corporation where the CEO, their leadership and their priorities changed every 2-4 years and you have no idea what your operating budget is until 3/4 of the year has gone by. Now ask yourself how efficient that organization would be. And yet some of you still want to blame the employees. smdh

 

[Wildabeest]

And where does Congress get the ideas for the added rules and regulations? Their constituents lobbyists!

FIFY

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

FIFY

legit edit.

 

[QuazyQuinton]

Today seemed like a good day to join BHA.

QQ

 

[406dn]

It seems fairly self evident to me that these various cuts are primarily directed in creating the justification for extending the expiring Trump tax cuts. There is bipartisan consensus for extending them, up to earners less than $400k. Above that, there is not agreement. Democrats generally want them to expire, and the GOP would like to make the tax cuts permanent.

These cuts, and the normal spiel that the cuts will pay for themselves, will enable the GOP to push the tax cuts through reconciliation. This is Elon's pay day. He can afford to volunteer his time, he will reap billions if the expiring tax cuts are extended or made permanent.

All of this proves once again that it is easier to destroy a sand castle than to build one. We voted for it and deserve the results we get.

 

[Beignet]

There i said it, I regret nothing!

Those kinds of comments make folks who disagree with the current state of affairs sound like the vitriolic kooks in the Breitbart comment section. Not really helpful or constructive. Be better than that.

 

[Bonasababy]

Great, but why not ask the other 8,999,999 other veterans about their care?

If its so stellar for all of them, why are they complaining?

My sources are people who work for the VA and vets both. Takes a long time to get care for many, and those providing it sure don't feel like they have the resources to provide the care our vets deserve. Bottom line I think the fact that once someone gets in they can get good care doesn't mean the resources are what they should be to provide that care.

 

[Bonasababy]

Mass Firing of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Employees Threaten National Wildlife Refuge System & Conservation — The National Wildlife Refuge Association

The National Wildlife Refuge Association is deeply alarmed by today’s Department of the Interior-wide termination of approximately 420 U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employees, many of whom are critical to the mission of the National Wildlife Refuge System. These firings, which disproportionately ta

www.refugeassociation.org

These firings, which disproportionately target biologists and natural resource professionals....
According to reports, these positions were deemed “not in the public interest” by DOI—an assertion that fundamentally ignores the role these professionals play in protecting and restoring our nation’s wildlife and wild places.

This sweeping, mass firing comes at a time when the Refuge System is already struggling with a decimated workforce.

One wonders if the old ploy is in play--starve the thing, say it's not working, then try and get rid of the refuge system.

 

[Rie Bread]

Enjoy the paid holiday!

 

[BuzzH]

Mass Firing of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Employees Threaten National Wildlife Refuge System & Conservation — The National Wildlife Refuge Association

The National Wildlife Refuge Association is deeply alarmed by today’s Department of the Interior-wide termination of approximately 420 U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employees, many of whom are critical to the mission of the National Wildlife Refuge System. These firings, which disproportionately ta

www.refugeassociation.org

These firings, which disproportionately target biologists and natural resource professionals....
According to reports, these positions were deemed “not in the public interest” by DOI—an assertion that fundamentally ignores the role these professionals play in protecting and restoring our nation’s wildlife and wild places.

This sweeping, mass firing comes at a time when the Refuge System is already struggling with a decimated workforce.

One wonders if the old ploy is in play--starve the thing, say it's not working, then try and get rid of the refuge system.

Is there even a doubt?

 

[F250]

Is there even a doubt?

My wife works for the Refuge System. Some probationary employees were cut. The remaining staff will have additional work loads. It’s not the end of the world !!!! Go to work, buckle up, do the job you are paid to do to the best of your ability. Certainly feel bad for the folks that lost their jobs.

 

[BuzzH]

My wife works for the Refuge System. Some probationary employees were cut. The remaining staff will have additional work loads. It’s not the end of the world !!!! Go to work, buckle up, do the job you are paid to do to the best of your ability. Certainly feel bad for the folks that lost their jobs.

Time to do less with less and not worry about doing a job that requires 2 people.

 

[SAJ-99]

My wife works for the Refuge System. Some probationary employees were cut. The remaining staff will have additional work loads. It’s not the end of the world !!!! Go to work, buckle up, do the job you are paid to do to the best of your ability. Certainly feel bad for the folks that lost their jobs.

There should be a lot more RMEF projects on FS land that people can sign up for. I'm sure we see a huge increase in volunteer participation (sarcasm).

 

[Lostinthewoods]

I don’t care who you vote for or what your stance on anything is.
If you’re gonna make a stupid ass post wishing someone would have died; go find another page.

 

[RG300]

These Cuts to Govt. are painful, but necessary.
Trump is rippin the band-aid off fast.
To ignore the obvious & keep on the fiscal trajectory of Several Previous administrations would lead to our ultimate Ruin without a shot fired, exactly what our enemies want.
Trump is taking the kind the drastic action others only talked about for 50 yrs & that no one else had the nards to do.
Remember Greece & Austerity 10-15 yrs ago....ya, we want to avoid that?

 

[peterk1234]

Hunttalk is better than this. At least it used to be.

 

[Perlodid]

My wife works for the Refuge System. Some probationary employees were cut. The remaining staff will have additional work loads. It’s not the end of the world !!!! Go to work, buckle up, do the job you are paid to do to the best of your ability. Certainly feel bad for the folks that lost their jobs.

Not all refuges are in the same situation. "Additional work load" doesn't even begin to describe the difficulties that some refuges are facing. I'm glad your wife's situation isn't that bleak, but the ones I have interacted with in the past few years were already stretched so thin they had no chance to get everything done that they needed to. Now they've got no seasonals and no recent hires. Is it the end of the world? No. But it will make an already difficult job borderline impossible in some cases. They literally do not have the staff to do what needs to be done.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

My wife works for the Refuge System. Some probationary employees were cut. The remaining staff will have additional work loads. It’s not the end of the world !!!! Go to work, buckle up, do the job you are paid to do to the best of your ability. Certainly feel bad for the folks that lost their jobs.

420 is "some"?

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out – because I’m not a Jew.
Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me."

Martin Niemoller.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Hunttalk is better than this. At least it used to be.

So far, better than any other hunting forum I've found around issues like this. Go on other hunting forums, and they are cheering on the cuts like a bunch of idiots that don't understand the stool they are standing on is next.

 

[INMT]

These Cuts to Govt. are painful, but necessary.
Trump is rippin the band-aid off fast.
To ignore the obvious & keep on the fiscal trajectory of Several Previous administrations would lead to our ultimate Ruin without a shot fired, exactly what our enemies want.
Trump is taking the kind the drastic action others only talked about for 50 yrs & that no one else had the nards to do.
Remember Greece & Austerity 10-15 yrs ago....ya, we want to avoid that?

Right. Indiscriminately terminating the lowest wage employees early in their careers to fund tax breaks for the rich.

Really tearing a band aid off.