Ollin Magnetic Digiscoping System

Wolves and record harvest???

BuzzH

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2001
Messages
17,797
Location
Laramie, WY
Wheres Paul?

Thought he might want to check this out. Not sure how it happened with the wolves destroying the big-game....

Big game hunting season best in years

Associated Press — Dec. 4, 2003

KALISPELL, Mont. — Montana's just-ended big game hunting season ranks as one of the best in years with 50-year-old records shattered in some places, wildlife officials said Tuesday, Dec. 3.

The general season ended Sunday evening.

In some cases, there were fewer hunters, but they took more game. In the Missoula region, elk kill records dating back to the 1950s were broken.

"Hunting conditions were ideal, probably the best in 10 years," said Bruce Sterling of Kalispell, a regional biologist with the Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks.

"This was an excellent hunting season. There's a lot of satisfied hunters out there," Sterling said.

"Between the snow and rain, we had good conditions for hunting for most of the five-week season," said Jim Williams, regional wildlife manager.

Ron Aasheim at the agency's headquarters in Helena said the number of elk checked through three game stations in the Missoula region was the highest since the Anaconda station was established in 1979.

He said the number of elk checked through the Darby station, at 727, was the highest since the station was established in 1953.

Overall, Aasheim said the number of hunters through the Missoula region's stations was up 12 percent, the elk harvest was up 128 percent at 1,013 animals, mule deer up 48 percent at 567, whitetail deer up 44 percent at 977.

At the seven check stations in northwestern Montana, Williams said 23,737 hunters checked through 1,893 whitetail deer, 329 mule deer and 204 elk for a 10.2 percent rate of hunters with game.

The 1,272 whitetail bucks was the largest number since the permanent check stations were established, and two-thirds of them were four-points or better, Williams said. The numbers of mule deer bucks and elk checked were also the highest recorded.

Williams said the high game populations may allow more harvest opportunities next year, possibly with more antlerless whitetail hunting, youth opportunities for deer and elk and more elk hunting in certain areas.
 
Funny, I din't see a single wolf listed at any of the check stations.
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
 
Yep Buzz,

Lots of snow this year made for a good harvest. Even a dip shit like you could probably figure this one out.

Paul
 
Like Troy said, 10% doesn't sound that good. Maybe a lot of the successful hunters didn't stop at the check stations? I don't know, for being the best it's been in 50 years, it just doesn't sound like it was all that good. Success rates are higher than that here in Washington.
 
Hey Paul, remember hunting season in 1996 in MT...oh thats right, you were still diggin' taters for a living...

Lots more snow than this year and way less wolves...yet that season never set a harvest record.

This year, we have more wolves than ever, less snow than '96 and still come out with a record harvest.

I thought you said big-game was taking a serious hit because of wolves???

Washington hunter, success rates in MT have always been about that. Its said that the same 10 percent of hunters kill 90% of the game each year.

I'd also bet that the 10 percent who kill elk year after year also dont ride an ATV all over the state of Montana....
wink.gif
 
Guys,

Check stations are not a very acurate measure of hunting success. Mostly open during weekends, and if you don't pass by one you don't have to register your kill. Besides the 10% figure is based on hunters succuss while passing by the check station. One or two days hunting, not overall success for the whole season. I can tell you this, a lot of elk got whacked around this area this year. Probably 5 to 10 times the number that where checked. Neither the elk or deer I harvested this year where counted in this figure. It's been the first year since 96, the year Buzzy mentioned, that any significant snow has fallen during the hunting season. There were a lot of animals out there in THESE PARTS and the conditions were right this year for a great harvest. This area is not great wolf habitat (lots of trees and few cattle ranches)and wolves are not a problem in this area at this time. I've stated this before but maybe Buzz forgot.

Spin it all you want Buzz boy. When the wolf huggers have tied delisting up in court for the next 10 years, and we have game population sortages in many areas, we will all have you to thank for the situation we are in.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 12-06-2003 14:34: Message edited by: BHR ]</font>
 
I know how some folks feel about wolves and thats there perogative, but wolves can be a problem. One of our judges just OK'ed a an aerial shoot in the McGrath area up here for wolves to lessen the numbers. Before some people start to get there panties in a bunch, they are only gonna remove 40 wolves in 1700SQ mile area (I believe that is the size). They removed most of the bears and restricted hunting, so they are working all angles. Basically there are no moose in this area any more and with the nearest store 300 miles away (no roads, so its all by air), meat is kinda important.

Going unchecked, wolves can be a problem for animals. It may not be happening by you now but give it time. No need to kill every last wolf but if they open a season for them, let so many tags out, and nobody gets any, what harm does it do? Hell most folks will shoot a yote and say its a wolf anyways.
 
lbg, nothing I'd like more than to hunt and or trap a wolf.

I agree, they shouldnt go unchecked and there should be hunting opportunities for them when the population is able to handle it.

I just find it funny as hell that all the loud-mouth, wolves-kill-everything crowd are choking on crow with MT setting harvest records set in the 1960's.

Maybe the big-bad wolf isnt quite so bad?

Paul, spin?

WTF are you babbling about? I didnt spin the data on the numbers at the check stations, and all regions reported terrific harvest, even those with "lots" of wolves.

Please explain how the wolves can be "wiping out" big game yet hunters are setting harvest records and now the MTFWP is talking of "increasing" opportunities for elk and deer next year?

Something about your wolf-kill-everything propaganda just isnt adding up.

By the way, isnt it the welfare ranchers who have filed the first lawsuit in regard to wolf delisting?

Plus, you still seem to forget that I'm all for delisting and having wolf hunting...

I think you just like to argue with people that are smarter than you.
cool.gif


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 12-06-2003 16:05: Message edited by: BuzzH ]</font>
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I think you just like to argue with people that are smarter than you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someday, I would like to try that...
biggrin.gif
 
Well yeah..... Then you would be the one getting to argue with someone smarter.... I am more concerned about ME getting to do it...

In my world, it is all about me....

(BTW, there was about 150 geese sitting in the field from 9am to 4pm today...
biggrin.gif
)
 
LBG- I'm glad to hear the judge upheld the state's decision, being that they are charged with the management of animals no matter the land status. I too would love to hunt a wolf. There is a black wolf rug in the local sporting goods store that is absolutely BEAUTIFUL! I'd love to have one someday...
 
MORE ATV's & MORE wolves = MORE game harvested. Is that the equation your preaching now BUZZ???? Welcome over from the darkside boy.
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
biggrin.gif
 
Go ask them. I've asked them simpler questions and still haven't gotten any answers.
biggrin.gif


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 12-08-2003 12:06: Message edited by: Ten Bears ]</font>
 
lilbiggun, I agree that sustainable populations of wolves should be hunted. Don't you have pretty much an open season on them up there in the problem areas?

I think it's pretty tough to compare your moose situation up there to what we have down here. Besides moose, what other year-around large ungulate food sources do the wolves have up there? Moose population densities are naturally lower than elk or deer, therefore it would be much easier for wolves to hunt out an area if moose are the only prey (I assume caribou migrate out of the area at some point). Comparing Alaska to the lower 48 is like apples and oranges. Of course, JMHO.

Oak
 

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
113,582
Messages
2,025,906
Members
36,237
Latest member
SCOOTER848
Back
Top