Losses at the Forest Service

[INMT]

I hope our land managers spend a lot of budget this year on gates and barricades. The people cheering this need to feel the pain of not getting to use the places they previously have enjoyed. I’ve read so many awful comments online. Voting has consequences and for a bunch of rednecks I hope it’s not being able to go out into nature

Pretty sure those folks are the ones that drive around gates.

Law and Order! until I don’t like the law.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

"Other FAA employees who were fired were working on an urgent and classified early warning radar system the Air Force had announced in 2023 for Hawaii to detect incoming cruise missiles, through a program that was in part funded by the Department of Defense. It’s one of several programs that the FAA’s National Defense Program manages that involve radars providing longer-range detection around the country’s borders."

I'll say it again--these are golden times for terrorists and foreign governments wanting to do harm to this country.

You're not wrong

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

'There is no one left': Custer Gallatin National Forest workers reeling from job losses

The cuts weren’t isolated. Across the seven ranger districts that comprise the Custer Gallatin National Forest, Knight said she has heard of at least 32 terminations as of Monday.

www.bozemandailychronicle.com

I love that place

 

[Bonasababy]

The head of the social security administration just resigned in protest over DOGE/Musks demands to access the private information of social security recipients.

It's getting Orwellian, folks.

 

[Lostinthewoods]

Agree. Though few things in our country's budget is more important than taking care veterans in the manner we have promised, this thread is getting way too far off the trail.

Get the thread back to the "losses at the USFS" and what impact that will have on hunting, public lands, and access. Or, we can just close the thread.

Putting this out front again.
Because it seems though some of you have “great” opinions, you can’t read.

Next off comment I’ll lock.

 

[Dougfirtree]

I heard back from my college roommate, who works for the FS in Montana. So far, he's keeping his job, but it sounded grim. It's hard for me to understand why any of you think this is a good idea, but I just hope that when the calls for transfer are amplified in the near future, citing the inability of the Feds to manage our public land, that all of you will be ready to vocally oppose that. I'm confident that this is being done, in part, to fuel the push for transfer. I am really hoping we're not the generation that blows this for our kids and their kids...

 

[BuzzH]

I heard back from my college roommate, who works for the FS in Montana. So far, he's keeping his job, but it sounded grim. It's hard for me to understand why any of you think this is a good idea, but I just hope that when the calls for transfer are amplified in the near future, citing the inability of the Feds to manage our public land, that all of you will be ready to vocally oppose that. I'm confident that this is being done, in part, to fuel the push for transfer. I am really hoping we're not the generation that blows this for our kids and their kids...

There's not even a slight doubt.

 

[INMT]

Putting this out front again.
Because it seems though some of you have “great” opinions, you can’t read.

Next off comment I’ll lock.

I hear you, but at this point unfortunately this is all inextricably linked.

 

[Lostinthewoods]

I hear you, but at this point unfortunately this is all inextricably linked.

We need to create a sub topic page that is private only to people who opt in, but once you enter you are well aware it’s fixing to get messy and can’t be upset when daggers are thrown.

Then let these public thread be normal and uninterrupted.

 

[DFS]

We need to create a sub topic page that is private only to people who opt in, but once you enter you are well aware it’s fixing to get messy and can’t be upset when daggers are thrown.

Then let these public thread be normal and uninterrupted.

You don’t have to react to everyone that gets hurt feelers.

 

[mtmiller]

We need to create a sub topic page that is private only to people who opt in, but once you enter you are well aware it’s fixing to get messy and can’t be upset when daggers are thrown.

Then let these public thread be normal and uninterrupted.

or you take the kid that can't play well with others and jerk his ass out of the sandbox. No reason to "shut down" the sand box.

The private area won't keep the garbage from feeding to the rest of the forum.

 

[Rie Bread]

It doesn’t fit the narrative boys and girls

Shut
It
Down


Or speak as I say

 

[Rie Bread]

We need to create a sub topic page that is private only to people who opt in, but once you enter you are well aware it’s fixing to get messy and can’t be upset when daggers are thrown.

Then let these public thread be normal and uninterrupted.

Or a room full of adults who can selectively read

 

[Lostinthewoods]

You don’t have to react to everyone that gets hurt feelers.

I/we don’t react to everyone who gets their feelings hurt.

I react to people who make stupid comments like they wish someone had been shot in the head, someone who starts maliciously doing personal attacks, or people who can’t read the rules from the person who owns this site.

 

[DFS]

No private business would be hiring anyone if it was running a $1.8 trillion deficit the year before. No one would be getting raises and those employed would be glad to have the job and probably worried that the company is going under and rightfully so.

That being said I don’t think local forest service and BLM offices are the direction they should be looking to make cuts. I can see both sides of the issue. Public lands are one of the greatest things we have in this country from my perspective.

 

[Lostinthewoods]

or you take the kid that can't play well with others and jerk his ass out of the sandbox. No reason to "shut down" the sand box.

The private area won't keep the garbage from feeding to the rest of the forum.

I may not have been clear.
Too many people on here have their opinions and want to let it be screamed loud. It’s not hard to make a sub thread where you can have that convo, no hold barred, and it’s PRIVATE. You request to come in, but you accept the risk when you do.

That leaves the forum for its purpose without interruption.

My guess is 99% of these people in the sandbox didn’t join this forum to come talk about politics or argue their views.

 

[brockel]

Anyone checked on 24 hour campfire lately? I'm sure it's great

This place is getting closer to the campfire every day

 

[BrentD]

I may not have been clear.
Too many people on here have their opinions and want to let it be screamed loud. It’s not hard to make a sub thread where you can have that convo, no hold barred, and it’s PRIVATE. You request to come in, but you accept the risk when you do.

That leaves the forum for its purpose without interruption.

My guess is 99% of these people in the sandbox didn’t join this forum to come talk about politics or argue their views.

While I agree with the last statement, the rest of it won't stand. That is not how people have conversations or arguments. It has been tried on many other forums, and it has not worked. But I suppose it does not hurt to try, but don't bet your 401k on it.

 

[BuzzH]

No private business would be hiring anyone if it was running a $1.8 trillion deficit the year before. No one would be getting raises and those employed would be glad to have the job and probably worried that the company is going under and rightfully so.

That being said I don’t think local forest service and BLM offices are the direction they should be looking to make cuts. I can see both sides of the issue. Public lands are one of the greatest things we have in this country from my perspective.

Disagree, not many CEO's and upper level management take a pay cut when times aren't so good. Its all on the backs of the workers, all the time, and every time. When business folds, again the CEO's and upper management all take the golden parachute while the employees take the one made of lead, all the time, and every time. Not to mention that every company dies from the neck up, workers don't make decisions.

Fair to note that BLM and FS employees aren't paid anywhere close to similar positions in the private sector. Also fair to note, raises for .gov employees are a joke, literally a joke. Less than 8K raise in 15 years? I wonder if costs of trucks, houses, food, clothing, medical expenses, insurance, etc. etc. have only gone up by similar percentages in 15 years?

Year	Percent Pay Raise	Example Salary Raise for a GS-5 Step 5
2025	1.7%	From $38,394.00 to $39,046.00 / year ($652.00 raise)
2024	4.7%	From $36,673.00 to $38,394.00 / year ($1,721.00 raise)
2023	4.1%	From $35,227.00 to $36,673.00 / year ($1,446.00 raise)
2022	2.2%	From $34,470.00 to $35,227.00 / year ($757.00 raise)
2021	1%	From $34,129.00 to $34,470.00 / year ($341.00 raise)
2020	2.6%	From $33,262.00 to $34,129.00 / year ($867.00 raise)
2019	1.4%	From $32,805.00 to $33,262.00 / year ($457.00 raise)
2018	1.4%	From $32,353.00 to $32,805.00 / year ($452.00 raise)
2017	1%	From $32,030.00 to $32,353.00 / year ($323.00 raise)
2016	1%	From $31,714.00 to $32,030.00 / year ($316.00 raise)
2015	1%	From $31,401.00 to $31,714.00 / year ($313.00 raise)
2014	1%	From $31,087.00 to $31,401.00 / year ($314.00 raise)
2013	0%	From $31,087.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($0.00 raise)
2012	0%	From $31,087.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($0.00 raise)
2011	0%	From $31,087.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($0.00 raise)
2010	1.5%	From $30,630.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($457.00 raise)

 

[ismith]

Disagree, not many CEO's and upper level management take a pay cut when times aren't so good. Its all on the backs of the workers, all the time, and every time. When business folds, again the CEO's and upper management all take the golden parachute while the employees take the one made of lead, all the time, and every time. Not to mention that every company dies from the neck up, workers don't make decisions.

Fair to note that BLM and FS employees aren't paid anywhere close to similar positions in the private sector. Also fair to note, raises for .gov employees are a joke, literally a joke.

Year	Percent Pay Raise	Example Salary Raise for a GS-5 Step 5
2025	1.7%	From $38,394.00 to $39,046.00 / year ($652.00 raise)
2024	4.7%	From $36,673.00 to $38,394.00 / year ($1,721.00 raise)
2023	4.1%	From $35,227.00 to $36,673.00 / year ($1,446.00 raise)
2022	2.2%	From $34,470.00 to $35,227.00 / year ($757.00 raise)
2021	1%	From $34,129.00 to $34,470.00 / year ($341.00 raise)
2020	2.6%	From $33,262.00 to $34,129.00 / year ($867.00 raise)
2019	1.4%	From $32,805.00 to $33,262.00 / year ($457.00 raise)
2018	1.4%	From $32,353.00 to $32,805.00 / year ($452.00 raise)
2017	1%	From $32,030.00 to $32,353.00 / year ($323.00 raise)
2016	1%	From $31,714.00 to $32,030.00 / year ($316.00 raise)
2015	1%	From $31,401.00 to $31,714.00 / year ($313.00 raise)
2014	1%	From $31,087.00 to $31,401.00 / year ($314.00 raise)
2013	0%	From $31,087.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($0.00 raise)
2012	0%	From $31,087.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($0.00 raise)
2011	0%	From $31,087.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($0.00 raise)
2010	1.5%	From $30,630.00 to $31,087.00 / year ($457.00 raise)

Barely keeps up with inflation!