Clintons plan for public lands

[James Riley]

You forgot Venezuela, which is where the rest of them are headed. M. Thatcher said it best " Socialism works until you run out of other peoples money"

Venezuela was an oil state, one trick pony. The others have been at it for a long, long time and aren't headed down. You never run out of other people's money. Greed and the incentive to earn can be kept alive and taxed. It's the loss of hope when everything is owned by a few that causes loss of incentive to earn. Just as CEOs put their peons in their Human "Resources" department, so too those CEOs can be put in *our* human resources department. We'll keep their greed alive and well, tax them and make them earn their keep. We'll let them have more, and live better lives than us, but they won't be allowed to keep it all for nothing. They must pay for the benefits they receive under the social contract. After all, it our society they choose to live in. They can always go to Somalia if they don't like socialism.

 

[schmalts]

MinnesotaHunter,

The reality is the personal account/server/network she was using was probably more secure than the Governments.

That's why the Chinese are now proud owners of all my personal information via the "secure" Government networks...

Not defending what she did, at all...but while on your soap box about unsecure networks, please drop a line to your elected officials on behalf of the millions of employees who have had their gov. accounts hacked.

I find it hard to believe that your account is held at the same security level as the secretary of state and other cabinet staff. And if so, what protocol was to be used for sensitive information deemed classified?

 

[noharleyyet]

If anyone thinks Madame President wouldn't make a backroom deal involving Jose's public land, the are delusional.

 

[schmalts]

If anyone thinks Madame President wouldn't make a backroom deal involving Jose's public land, the are delusional.

Public land? It's not as bad as uranium is it?

 

[MinnesotaHunter]

I find it hard to believe that your account is held at the same security level as the secretary of state and other cabinet staff. And if so, what protocol was to be used for sensitive information deemed classified?

My unclassified email account has dramtically more security/encryption over a normal .gov email, and I am certain the SoS unclassified account is even more heavily secured, yet none of them are allowed to handle information with any classification.

In very basic terms, with each level of classification comes an additional email system with increased security. I personally have to maintain 3 email accounts on the different systems, each used depending on the classification of the information. She had information that warranted a top secret classification on her personal system, and that email system is like something you have never seen.

 

[James Riley]

There is a level of security far above anything the U.S. Government has available and there are documents no person, anywhere, will ever be able to hack or obtain. The NSA can't even get at them: Transcripts of speeches given to Wall Street puppet masters. You see, there is security for mundane little things like U.S. National Defense and State Department international policy positions. Then there is the Top Top Secret stuff. If the NSA had that kind of security then Edward Snowden would still be in a cubicle somewhere playing video games on our nickel.

 

[Ben Lamb]

If anyone thinks Madame President wouldn't make a backroom deal involving Jose's public land, the are delusional.

Oil & Gas production under Billy Jeff was prioritized and increased, fyi. Madam President was a supporter of fracking when she was SOS, and advocated it's export to a variety of nations. It's kind of funny, the industry is incredibly leery of Trump because, if you've looked at his energy plan it's clear he doesn't understand energy markets or the global energy situation at all. So they're looking more and more to Hillary as an alternative.

 

[noharleyyet]

Fair observation Ben...as per Trump's 'astuteness', it's difficult to discern the line between business acumen and leverage....and inheriting a chitload of dough.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Fair observation Ben...as per Trump's 'astuteness', it's difficult to discern the line between business acumen and leverage....and inheriting a chitload of dough.

Trump's astuteness comes from P.T. Barnum.

 

[noharleyyet]

Trump's astuteness comes from P.T. Barnum.

...while Madame's is cunning (sp)?

 

[Ben Lamb]

...while Madame's is cunning (sp)?

Madame P gets it from Tupac (Only God can judge her).

 

[noharleyyet]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/8/gary-johnson-sets-sights-on-15-percent-in-polls-cr/

 

[JDH]

Maybe the Progressive Party is the way to go. Do they have a candidate?

 

[MTGomer]

Oil & Gas production under Billy Jeff was prioritized and increased, fyi. Madam President was a supporter of fracking when she was SOS, and advocated it's export to a variety of nations. It's kind of funny, the industry is incredibly leery of Trump because, if you've looked at his energy plan it's clear he doesn't understand energy markets or the global energy situation at all. So they're looking more and more to Hillary as an alternative.

Two types of dems: Socialist and Corporate. The Clintons are certainly the latter.
Take out genitalia; and what- that actually matters - not some stupid ass, already settled social issue like gays or abortions - makes Hillary different from Dick Cheney or John McCain? I see a plethora of major similarities and a few miniscule, unremarkable differences.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Two types of dems: Socialist and Corporate. The Clintons are certainly the latter.
Take out genitalia; and what- that actually matters - not some stupid ass, already settled social issue like gays or abortions - makes Hillary different from Dick Cheney or John McCain? I see a plethora of major similarities and a few miniscule, unremarkable differences.

I'd feel a lot better voting for Hillary if she shot a lawyer in the face.

It's a fair point. She's a moderate Dem which can be interchangeable with moderate Rep on a lot of issues.

 

[Irrelevant]

I'm loving this thread, keep it going!

 

[Nemont]

She's a moderate Dem which can be interchangeable with moderate Rep on a lot of issues.

That is one of the problems with her. She will go to where ever her corporate pay masters tell her. Goldman Sachs gets her direct line as does every other Wall Street Hustler who helped crash the economy. While I disagree with Bernie I do believe he is not bought and paid for, if Hillary would get out of the way Bernie would win in a landslide.

The Donald is now begging for the scraps from the Koch Bros. table so you know what that means, one more flip flop if that is what it takes to get the job done. I cannot think of single issue which the Donald has not flip flopped on. Don't give the "evolved" crap he flip flops worse then John Kerry ever did.

Nemont

 

[Ben Lamb]

That is one of the problems with her. She will go to where ever her corporate pay masters tell her. Goldman Sachs gets her direct line as does every other Wall Street Hustler who helped crash the economy. While I disagree with Bernie I do believe he is not bought and paid for, if Hillary would get out of the way Bernie would win in a landslide.

The Donald is now begging for the scraps from the Koch Bros. table so you know what that means, one more flip flop if that is what it takes to get the job done. I cannot think of single issue which the Donald has not flip flopped on. Don't give the "evolved" crap he flip flops worse then John Kerry ever did.

Nemont

A politician is like the weather in Montana in the spring. Everything changes in 5 minutes.

 

[Nemont]

A politician is like the weather in Montana in the spring. Everything changes in 5 minutes.

Hell of a way to run a country

 

[JoseCuervo]

That is one of the problems with her. She will go to where ever her corporate pay masters tell her. Goldman Sachs gets her direct line as does every other Wall Street Hustler who helped crash the economy. While I disagree with Bernie I do believe he is not bought and paid for, if Hillary would get out of the way Bernie would win in a landslide.

The Donald is now begging for the scraps from the Koch Bros. table so you know what that means, one more flip flop if that is what it takes to get the job done. I cannot think of single issue which the Donald has not flip flopped on. Don't give the "evolved" crap he flip flops worse then John Kerry ever did.

Nemont

Care to advise us all of the last President who didn't appoint Goldman Sachs people to positions of power?


Hell, countries all over the world appoint Goldman ex- to positions of power.

This list of former employees of Goldman Sachs catalogs notable alumni of the New York City-based investment bank in different fields.

Bradley Abelow – Former Chief of Staff and Treasurer of New Jersey under Jon Corzine, and President of MF Global, Inc.
Guy Adami – CNBC's Fast Money
Olusegun Olutoyin Aganga – Former Nigerian Finance Minister, current Nigerian Minister for Trade and Investments
Claudio Aguirre – Led most of the privatization of Spanish government assets in the 1990s, including Telefónica, Repsol and Endesa
Sergey Aleynikov – Goldman Sachs computer programmer convicted of stealing Goldman's code[1][2]
Ziad Bahaa-Eldin – Deputy Prime Minister of Egypt (2013–)
Chetan Bhagat – Author
Fischer Black – Co–author of the Black–Scholes equation and the Black-Derman-Toy model
Joshua Bolten – Former White House Chief of Staff
António Borges –Portuguese economist and banker
Diethart Breipohl – Head of Group Finance at Allianz
Willem Buiter – Chief Economist of Citigroup (2010–)
Erin Burnett – CNN host
Mark Carney – Governor of the Bank of England (2013–) and former Governor of the Bank of Canada (2008–2013)[3]
Efthymios Christodoulou – Governor of the Bank of Greece (1991–1993)
Petros Christodoulou – General Manager of the Public Debt Management Agency of Greece (2010–2012) and Deputy Chief Executive Officer of the National Bank of Greece (2012–)
Michael Cohrs – Member of Court and the Financial Policy Committee at the Bank of England
Jon Corzine – Former CEO of MF Global, Inc., former Democratic Governor (2006–2010) and U.S. Senator (2001–2006), New Jersey
Jim Cramer – Founder of TheStreet.com, best selling author, and host of Mad Money on CNBC
Charles de Croisset – Generel Treasurer of Société des Amis du Louvre
Guillermo de la Dehesa – Secretary of State of Economy and Finance of Spain (1986–1988)
Keki Dadiseth
Emanuel Derman – Co-developer of the Black-Derman-Toy model
Vladimír Dlouhý – Minister of Industry and Trade of the Czech Republic (1992–1997)
Mario Draghi – President of the European Central Bank (2011-)
William C. Dudley – President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Rahm Emanuel – Mayor of Chicago (2011–)[4]
Kazuo Inamori – Chairman of Japan Airlines (2010–)
Óscar Fanjul – Founding Chairman and CEO of Repsol
Michael D. Fascitelli – President & Trustee of Vornado Realty Trust
Henry H. Fowler – Former United States Secretary of the Treasury (1965–1969)
Gary Gensler – Chairman of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (2009– )
Judd Gregg – Governor of New Hampshire (1989–1993) and United States Senator from New Hampshire (1993–2011)
Chris Grigg – CEO of British Land (2009– )
Charlie Haas – Wrestler, who is working for World Wrestling Entertainment
Victor Halbertstadt – Professor of Public Sector Finance at the University of Leiden
Guy Hands – CEO of Terra Firma Capital Partners
Jim Himes – member of the House of Representatives (2009–present), representing Connecticut
Reuben Jeffery III – Under Secretary of State for Economic, Business, and Agricultural Affairs (2007– )
Neel Kashkari – Former Interim Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability (2008–2009)
Edward Lampert – Hedge Fund Manager of ESL Investments. Brought K-Mart out of Bankruptcy in 2003
Gianni Letta – Secretary to the Council of Ministers of Italy under the governments of Silvio Berlusconi
Arthur Levitt – Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (1993–2001)[5]
Klaus Luft – German businessman and Honorary Consul of Estonia to Bavaria
Ian Macfarlane – Governor of the Reserve Bank of Australia (1996–2006)
Tito Mboweni – Governor of the Reserve Bank of South Africa (1999–2009)
Scott Mead – Photographer and an Investment Banker
Karel Van Miert – European Commissioner for Transport and Consumer Protection (1989–1993) and European Commissioner for Competition (1993–1999)
Carlos Moedas – European Commissioner for Research, Science and Innovation
R. Scott Morris – Former CEO of Boston Options Exchange
Dambisa Moyo – Zambian economist and author of Dead Aid: Why Aid is Not Working and How There is a Better Way For Africa
Ashwin Navin – President and co-founder of BitTorrent, Inc.
Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau – Younger brother of Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands
Lucas Papademos Greek Economist
Mark Patterson – Chief of Staff to the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States (2009–)
Henry Paulson – Former United States Secretary of the Treasury (2006–2009)
Romano Prodi – Prime Minister of Italy (1996–1998, 2006–2008) and President of the European Commission (1999–2004)[6]
Robert Rubin – Former Secretary of the Treasury of the United States, ex–Chairman of Citigroup
Robert Steel – Former Chairman and President, Wachovia
Gene Sperling – Director of the National Economic Council (2011–)[7]
Lawrence Summers – Secretary of the Treasury of the United States (1999–2001)[8]
Peter Sutherland UN representative for refugees; former EU commissioner; former attorney general of Ireland; Chairman Emeritus of GS International.
John Thain – Former Chairman and CEO, Merrill Lynch, and former chairman of the NYSE
Massimo Tononi – Treasury Undersecretary of the Ministry Of Economy and Finance of Italy (2006–2008)[6]
Malcolm Turnbull – Prime Minister of Australia (2015- )
George Herbert Walker IV – Managing director at Neuberger Berman and member of the Bush family
Robert Zoellick – United States Trade Representative (2001–2005), Deputy Secretary of State (2005–2006), World Bank President (2007–2012)
Erik Åsbrink – Minister for Finance of Sweden (1996–1999)

Is there anything bad about Goldman Sachs? I much prefer answering to the "smartest guys in the room" than answering to a bunch of ex- Lehman, ex-Bear Stearns guys....