Clintons plan for public lands

[Carnage2011]

Spot on Nemont. We have two awful candidates and one has to win. Hopefully congress has their head on straight for four years and nothing drastic happens.

 

[NKQualtieri]

I did stop too soon, didn't I?

I love this response Randy, thanks for finishing what I really should have continued to say. Maybe I just have too much fun when heads explode at the term "socialism" or call people "socialists" like it's a bad term. One of my favorite things in the hunting convo is the push and pull of the public land debate where some traditionally conservative hunters are trying to bridge the gap between what is necessary to our community (public land) and what used to be perceived as The Other Side, whether it's liberals, hippies, socialists, whatever. That gritty place is important, and it might be one of the more important transitions happening in politics today. To me, it speaks of hope of middle ground and potential progress. It makes me happy.

Maybe we should go back to being Teddy Roosevelt's Blue Moose party? A fitting name for a notably progressive & conservation-minded group of people.

 

[Washington Hunter]

Well, I think Trump is a great candidate, the best we've had in many years. Too bad some of you don't see it that way.

 

[James Riley]

I don't think Trump is a racist or misogynist. I think he is a troll. I think he sees thin skin and likes to prick it. And when he gets the reaction he knows is coming, he finds some self-confirmation, having proved his point. I think he looks for results and could not care less what color or sex they come in.

I consider myself a left wing liberal with a certain brand of socialism thrown in, but if there is one thing I can't stand it's a fkn emoter. Here's an example: Remember the movies where silence and/or self-control was crucial to the survival of all, yet there was always that screamer, or bawler or whiner or mover giving the position away to the bad guys? A good movie director could make a person like me want to implode when I saw that S. LOL! Well, I perceive a lot of my fellow liberals as being like those screamers/bawlers/whiners/movers. And I empathize with, and feel the pain of those who wish those Chicken Little MFrs would just STFU already. I understand why so many conservatives hate us. I see Trump as pricking those people because he is the bad guy who likes to watch them scream, bawl, whine and move. The bad guy is about two inches, in my mind, from becoming the good guy just because of that.

And the corporate media feeds all this and gives air time to the whiners. Anyone remember how many fools said they were "horrified" by what Trump said? Oh, for Christ's sake, they weren't horrified! I'd show them what horrified really means, but I'd be guilty of assault. They have their own hyperbole and rhetorical BS on the opposite side of what Trump is doing. It's all a big S show and both sides are guilty.

Now, compare Trump, above, with the clique-types I referred to earlier; the ones who like to sting people just because they like it, and because they have black hearts. What's the difference? Well, personally, I think the difference is that which you find between a practical joker who really doesn't want to hurt anyone, except maybe those who seems to like getting all butt hurt; and the sadistic, evil freaks who thrive on power and for whom mere money is not good enough. I don't think Trump has a black heart. I think Clinton does.

I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. But those who dislike Trump do themselves no favors by allowing themselves to be trolled by a troll. All with the help of a corporate media that is eating it up. Doing so just makes him grow. Here we have a guy who has single-handedly destroyed the Republican Party as we know it and the liberals are all up in arms? He should be their freaking hero. No good deed goes unpunished. LOL!

Now we have all the libs as butt-hole buddies with the likes of Gingrich and Ryan, et al. Everyone expressing their collective angst over the Donald. If that doesn't prove that the ultimate hand behind the curtain controls both Parties, then I don't know what is. Donald just might have that hand worried.

End rant.

 

[James Riley]

You stopped too soon in your expansion from the common American perception and what language literally says. Any society that agrees to taxation of income, wealth, or property, to be redistributed for other public uses is technically socialist. Any society that says we are not going to let our young, elderly, or poor die in the streets because of lack of resources, is technically socialist. Any society that agrees to have public schools is technically socialist. Any society that will conscript citizens to involuntary military service, as this country did for over 200 years, is technically socialist. Any society that uses a political system to pick economic winners and losers by socializing costs, is technically socialist.

When one thinks about it, since the first villages were formed on this planet, however many thousand or million years ago you want to believe, socialism was the basis for a village/community concept.

Also known as the social contract. Granted, it's a contract of adhesion, but it's a contract nonetheless.

 

[James Riley]

double tap

 

[James Riley]

Maybe we should go back to being Teddy Roosevelt's Blue Moose party? A fitting name for a notably progressive & conservation-minded group of people.

Is that "Blue" a typo, or intended, or a Freudian slip? (Blue, as in Bull, or Blue State intended, or Blue State slip).

 

[RobG]

Speaking of Blue Moose Party, this is a perfect time to interrupt this conversation with a commercial break and plug my friend's business Blue Moose Builders. Now back to your regularly scheduled jabbering.

 

[airlocksniffer]

 

[MinnesotaHunter]

How are you with supporting racists?

I don't. I support neither R or D. They are basically the same in the end anyway, the only difference is who they pander to for votes.

Do you believe Hillary would make a good president?

 

[NKQualtieri]

Is that "Blue" a typo, or intended, or a Freudian slip? (Blue, as in Bull, or Blue State intended, or Blue State slip).

Damnit. Long day.

 

[MinnesotaHunter]

Here we have a guy who has single-handedly destroyed the Republican Party as we know it and the liberals are all up in arms? He should be their freaking hero. No good deed goes unpunished. LOL!

It is because the Ds know that if the Rs implode, they are soon to follow. They need each other, so they have someone else to blame, and to point at and call the boogie man. It is all leading through fear and hate. If you cling to either party as your savior, you need to open your eyes. The parties are almost like cults.

 

[MTGomer]

from Websters;

": a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies"


socialism is about the means of production. Venezuela is socialist. Canada is not.
government provided services and government ran, centrally planned economies are not the same thing.
Otherwise, anything except absolute anarchy would be socialism, would it not?

 

[MTGomer]

It is because the Ds know that if the Rs implode, they are soon to follow. They need each other, so they have someone else to blame, and to point at and call the boogie man. It is all leading through fear and hate. If you cling to either party as your savior, you need to open your eyes. The parties are almost like cults.

The D's are imploding. Sandernista riots coming to Philly next month.
It'll be a riot.

 

[James Riley]

from Websters;

": a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies"


socialism is about the means of production. Venezuela is socialist. Canada is not.
government provided services and government ran, centrally planned economies are not the same thing.
Otherwise, anything except absolute anarchy would be socialism, would it not?

As a Poly Sci major, I can say there is WAY more to socialism than what Websters would have to say about it. I encourage anyone who is interested to do some research. I thought I had some posts on it in Hunt Talk but a search came up with zilch. Perhaps they got lost in the upgrades, or? In any event, the shades of grey are endless. The U.S. is and always has been one of those shades. Just for fun, what would be the difference if it were a way of organizing a society in which the government was owned and controlled by major industries, rather than by individual people and companies?

 

[schmalts]

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/282434-state-dept-would-need-75-years-to-compile-clinton-emails

...there it is....at the warp speed of .gov

75 years?? Time to hire a private firm. The gubment isn't the best and fastest at a lot of things. Space-X is a great example.

 

[James Riley]

75 years?? Time to hire a private firm. The gubment isn't the best and fastest at a lot of things. Space-X is a great example.

That's only for FOIA compliance. No prosecutor would have to wait for that S, and FOIA does not apply. It's been long enough now that a decision could have been made, one way or the other. The question is, why hasn't one been made? Hmmmm? The law doesn't apply to some folks, I reckon. If there is nothing there, then they should say so. But it certainly has nothing to do with an inability to review the evidence in a timely fashion.

 

[schmalts]

That's only for FOIA compliance. No prosecutor would have to wait for that S, and FOIA does not apply. It's been long enough now that a decision could have been made, one way or the other. The question is, why hasn't one been made? Hmmmm? The law doesn't apply to some folks, I reckon. If there is nothing there, then they should say so. But it certainly has nothing to do with an inability to review the evidence in a timely fashion.

And a man that owes millions in taxes has been visiting the WH to see his buddy Obama. Probably some of the same kind of thing going on.

 

[Tradewind]

Condemnation or Eminent Domain?

eminent domain, of course

 

[Tradewind]

What's wrong with Socialism?



See any common traits?

See any country not listed?

You forgot Venezuela, which is where the rest of them are headed. M. Thatcher said it best " Socialism works until you run out of other peoples money"