I bet it ain't no accident. mtmuleyBoth of them interviewing a minority when BLM movement is in full swings has me suspect.
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I bet it ain't no accident. mtmuleyBoth of them interviewing a minority when BLM movement is in full swings has me suspect.
I bet it ain't no accident. mtmuley
Arlando Chiles
According to Steve he had the podcast planned in April before COVID delayed it. It was a very good listen.Whether it was or wasn't by accident, I'm interested in these discussions.
I was wondering kind of the same thing. She no doubt probably has been in life situations where this is the case and then when taking that over to the public land hunting realm, does she just assume it's the same? I would like to think that in the public land hunting world it's not quite the same.Some people just aren't friendly, or are overly in your business. It must be difficult though not knowing the reason and wondering if it's because she's black, or if it's because they aren't used to seeing a woman out enjoying public lands by herself. It did make me wonder if she attributes normal feelings of people not being friendly to race or gender when sometimes those are just run of the mill interactions that all people have.
If the agenda ain't a bad one, what's the problem? Do you think having a more diverse base of users and advocates for public lands is a bad thing? If so, why. If not, again, I don't see what the problem is.been bought and pushing an agenda
One thing I wondered about is how she differentiates between race and other factors like being a woman in how people act towards her while out on public lands.
Some people undoubtedly act differently because she's black. Some people act differently because she's a woman. (My wife experiences this when she's out without me).
Some people just aren't friendly, or are overly in your business. It must be difficult though not knowing the reason and wondering if it's because she's black, or if it's because they aren't used to seeing a woman out enjoying public lands by herself. It did make me wonder if she attributes normal feelings of people not being friendly to race or gender when sometimes those are just run of the mill interactions that all people have.
Not doubting she's treated differently for a number of reasons, I'm sure she is, but I would think it would be difficult to know why a person acts the way they do.
Well spoken.I want to push discussions. I want to be uncomfortable in my confidence that my view of the world has it all figured out. Having these discussions helps me think harder of my life experiences that have formed my world view, especially when I compare them to folks who have a way different life experience, yet we both ended up at the same end point when it comes to our love of wild things, wild places, and hunting. I won't quit having these discussions offline or online, due to the amplified tone of the current times that might put me at higher risk or more discomfort.
BTW here is the video she references... sorry for the FB link I couldn't find it on youtube
Her comments resonated with me, simply because of how many people go out of their way to comment on Gus while were hiking. "OMG those little legs, I can't believe he hikes", "Can I get a picture with your dog"... etc etc.. at this point my wife and I are so sick of it we must come off as huge dicks because we just walk past people with no response.
Similarly, I killed a buck behind a ski town last year and packed it out at noon, on a Saturday... yeah maybe not the best planning. Anyway I was flabbergasted by the number of people who straight up blocked the trail, and were like "So you're hunting, I know a person that hunts, let's talk about that... meanwhile I have a 100lb pack, trying not to blow a knee and am trying to get my meat off the hill before it spoils."
I think hunters as a group are the kinda folks who aren't going to waylay you on a trail so this idea seem totally foreign to us, but I 100% believe, some Karen on some trail in RMNP would actually stop Rue on a trail with, "Oh my gosh you're black, and hiking, thats so great for you, you know I have lots of black friends".
I'm sure there are some reactions that to your point would be hard to prove are because she is black or a woman or whatever, but I'm sure there are some that aren't.
been bought and pushing an agenda
How in the world do you guys do it, I have tried on numerous occasions to listen to pod cast? I made it about three minutes on this one, dudes sitting around talking about bugs hatching in Minnesota and recording it so other people can listen to it. What am I missing here???
I agree 100%.I listened to it when it was first released. The title was misleading, there didn't seem to be any difficult part of the conversation. I can appreciate her work and think everyone can benefit from closer relationships with nature especially through hunting.
That said. Once they start guessing motives based on race, assuming guilt, blaming everyone else because you sometimes feel "paranoid" you lose me. We all deal with the random rude local or ignorant warden at some point. Everyone regardless of race knows what it feels like to be the "odd man out". At one point she says she "doesn't need to know the numbers for my feeling to be validated" and that's complete bullshit. Yes, when you want to accuse people of "systemic racism" then yes, you better know that the numbers justify that. Shocker, they don't. At another point Steve as her how she feels seeing minorities respected in outdoor ads, valid question. But her response is that she wants to see the board of the company.. So another purity test where she gets to guess motivations. Right in the beginning Steve says something like "I'm surprised you don't get hate mail" [weird, systemic racism yet no hate mail hmmm] and her response is "I might now that in doing this podcast" and Steve says "oh I'm sure you will" implying he assumes his listeners are racist. Because any disagreement is racist apparently.
Discussing how the black community can work toward fostering more outdoor engagement from within, instead of blaming others for feeling "uncomfortable" in the outdoor space would actually be a difficult conversation. Promoting empowerment instead of defaulting to blaming "racism" would be a refreshing and difficult conversation.