I don’t think more money by itself is the end goal.
Wyoming $75 NR application fee proposal and more...
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I don’t think more money by itself is the end goal.
rjthehunter
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No interest. Besides, there's a lot more profitable businesses that don't require the government to keep you afloat.
Like which businesses?
rjthehunter
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The entire construction industry.
It may not be, but a 400% increase to fund a program that's already funded is a little suspect.
Nick87
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Tell me your ignorant without telling me.
Pucky Freak
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Am I understanding this correctly? $75 per tag application, and $18.75 goes directly to landowners? So if I apply for 2 elk, 4 deer, & 3 antelope it is $168.75 to landowner pockets? Not sure I want to write them a check, just out of principle.
Large landowners siphoning off from the huge sum of $$$ people are willing to throw at big game hunting. “Damage compensation” is a joke - most of these properties can more than make up for their grass loss by outfitting their ranch.
For those landowners who cannot turn a profit on elk, e.g. the elk are eating the grass outside of hunting seasons, in nearly every instance it is a neighbor problem - neighbors harbor elk during hunting season and don’t allow the local elk population to be kept in check.
Poor neighbor behavior is a tough problem that requires creative solutions from multiple stakeholders, but turning to nonresident hunters to pay the bill is rather…convoluted.
Large landowners siphoning off from the huge sum of $$$ people are willing to throw at big game hunting. “Damage compensation” is a joke - most of these properties can more than make up for their grass loss by outfitting their ranch.
For those landowners who cannot turn a profit on elk, e.g. the elk are eating the grass outside of hunting seasons, in nearly every instance it is a neighbor problem - neighbors harbor elk during hunting season and don’t allow the local elk population to be kept in check.
Poor neighbor behavior is a tough problem that requires creative solutions from multiple stakeholders, but turning to nonresident hunters to pay the bill is rather…convoluted.
Islander
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The beauty of the ponzi schemes out West is that it's easy to justify New Zealand and Hawaii for incredible big game adventures.
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Why should hunters fund private land owners who don't allow access?
Nick87
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I hope more start thinking this way. Spread the word.
timberman56
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cashed in my deer points this yr and just missed lope because i put in w/ bud who had l less pt than me-damnit (won't make that mistake next yr). can't wait to get outta the points game. and the G&F agencies can't figure out why we're loosing hunters and not recruiting young ones. genius
For a fellow who is relied on to apply for multiple family members each year, this fee will count us out on wyoming. Max points for several of us on several species, so maybe help others have better draw odds?
Definately hope it doesn't happen though since I've been hunting WY since the before I care to disclose...
Definately hope it doesn't happen though since I've been hunting WY since the before I care to disclose...
Economy in the United States for Subsidies (Metrics), Construction (Naics Sector): Data and Trends
USAFacts -- In 2021 (most recent), Subsidies were 34882000000.0 in the United States for construction (NAICS sector). This decreased by -30,245,000,000 or -46.44% from 2020. Highest: 65,127,000,000 in 2020. Lowest: -0 in 2019 and 22 past years.
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Nick87
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Direct or not I was going to throw out the amount personally we do work on. Roads, bridges, schools. Less than a year ago we did the excavation for two different 1 million bushel grain bins for farmers to store there subsidiary corn in.Economy in the United States for Subsidies (Metrics), Construction (Naics Sector): Data and Trends
USAFacts -- In 2021 (most recent), Subsidies were 34882000000.0 in the United States for construction (NAICS sector). This decreased by -30,245,000,000 or -46.44% from 2020. Highest: 65,127,000,000 in 2020. Lowest: -0 in 2019 and 22 past years.
Schools, roads, bridges, sidewalks, playgrounds, local pools, hospitals, airports, prisons, municipal work, HOA work, affordable housing, local grants, state grants, federal grants.
Unless I’m misunderstanding the meaning of “the entire construction industry” lol
Head in the sand/ass if someone thinks their industry isn’t full of subsidies.
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Nick87
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Yah farming its just a little more cut and dry or exposed I guess, for a lack of better word. Schools are our bread and butter every summer rehabbing parking lots and additions. Also pretty sure there is a tax break for us on that work.
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Yeah even if it’s not all technically subsidies, the construction industry siphons enormous profit off the tax payers, if not a majority of its profit.
rjthehunter
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Working on affordable housing projects that are subsidized isn't really being subsidized.Economy in the United States for Subsidies (Metrics), Construction (Naics Sector): Data and Trends
USAFacts -- In 2021 (most recent), Subsidies were 34882000000.0 in the United States for construction (NAICS sector). This decreased by -30,245,000,000 or -46.44% from 2020. Highest: 65,127,000,000 in 2020. Lowest: -0 in 2019 and 22 past years.
Beyond that, I can't find anything in regards to the industry being subsidized. Your graph only shows 2 years of there being any assistance. So nothing before then?
Not a head in the sand. I've been in the industry for a long time. Even government projects require contractors to bid the work, then the gov takes the lowest bidder. Per usual, they're absolutely shit to work with too.
Schools get money to do necessary upgrades. We do a bunch ever summer also. It's always publicly bid work and the margins are thin at best. General Contractors are bidding projects with about a 2.5-3% profit most of the time.
The most profitable work is negotiated work with clients. Anyone in my position will tell you the same thing. They'd rather work for an independent owner or company vs any type of government work. The profit is thin, and the people are what you'd expect.
Nick87
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I am now dumber for reading this thank you.
rjthehunter
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What do you do for work? Are you bidding work every day and running projects?
Subcontractors have much higher margins than GCs do.
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