BigHornRam
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Had to look that up. You a subscriber?
Ukraine / Russia
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noharleyyet
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#leavekylieandwolfalone
BigHornRam
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#russiandisinformation
www.nytimes.com
Hunter Biden Paid Tax Bill, but Broad Federal Investigation Continues (Published 2022)
The Justice Department inquiry into the business dealings of the president’s son has remained active, with a grand jury seeking information about payments from around the world.
VikingsGuy
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It is because politics are no longer reasonable discussions between people with different views, where folks are fairly consistent in their thoughts over time. Politics are now a team sport blood war where the only thing that matters is scoring points while society burns, promoted by modern-day Don Kings and Vincent McMahons (in the form of cable news pundits and internet influencers) for their own profit.
For those who are always looking for the "big answer" - our ongoing problem is the media (mainstream and alt, the big publisher and the lone YouTuber) that are constantly spinning to earn $$$ rather than furthering rational journalism - the problem is not the Committee of 300, Jewish Nazis, Hunter Biden or elite pedophile rings. Stop taking their bait.
VikingsGuy
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It's as reasonable as half the stuff posted on the internet, why not
VikingsGuy
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I am more interested in the fate of Billy Beer than I am with the Hunter non-sense. And the pee-ing on the bed non-sense too. I am nothing if not an even-handed hater of non-sense.#russiandisinformation
Hunter Biden Paid Tax Bill, but Broad Federal Investigation Continues (Published 2022)
The Justice Department inquiry into the business dealings of the president’s son has remained active, with a grand jury seeking information about payments from around the world.
Irrelevant
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I would argue We are our biggest problem. American citizens molded the media to be what it is today. We continue to support it because it provides us with exactly we we seek, faux conflict stimuli in which all of our perceived problems are someone else's fault.
VikingsGuy
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Agreed.
BigHornRam
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One story is true. One story is false. Both came from the same source. Hate away!
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longbow51
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For once, this is not a right vs left issue. It seems there are folks on both sides eager to rush into yet another war. And I know, we're not saying boots on the ground, and we were only going to advise the South Vietnamese.
But to pretend that those who are suspicious of incursions on freedom, whether here or abroad, are ignorant of the history of suspension of same during wartime is just, again, disingenuous.
While I am well aware of all the things we have done in wartime, that doesn't make them right. Still sickens me we interned the Japanese (and I realize there were Japanese here who were spies).
Have we learned nothing?
I'm more than a little surprised that a country which was stripped of many of its freedoms for 2 years (perhaps necessarily for a few months, then obviously not) have so many folks from both the right and the left saying, well, it's OK to ban your opposing political parties and censor the media (well, not that, the left has been trying that for 5 years).
So choosing between dictators, I choose Z over P, but to pretend these acts are presidential is disingenuous.
We obviously do have a crisis at our southern border; cartels in control, human and drug trafficking with subsequent increases in drug deaths.
So,Trump is reelected, declares an emergency, states the Democrat party is against a secure border (mostly true), bans it, and shuts down news networks which disagree. Is that "presidential"?
We should learn from our mistakes, and should be ever more vigilant against giving up our freedom for the next "emergency".
That's my story and I'm sticking to it
On to more fun things like new revolvers.
But to pretend that those who are suspicious of incursions on freedom, whether here or abroad, are ignorant of the history of suspension of same during wartime is just, again, disingenuous.
While I am well aware of all the things we have done in wartime, that doesn't make them right. Still sickens me we interned the Japanese (and I realize there were Japanese here who were spies).
Have we learned nothing?
I'm more than a little surprised that a country which was stripped of many of its freedoms for 2 years (perhaps necessarily for a few months, then obviously not) have so many folks from both the right and the left saying, well, it's OK to ban your opposing political parties and censor the media (well, not that, the left has been trying that for 5 years).
So choosing between dictators, I choose Z over P, but to pretend these acts are presidential is disingenuous.
We obviously do have a crisis at our southern border; cartels in control, human and drug trafficking with subsequent increases in drug deaths.
So,Trump is reelected, declares an emergency, states the Democrat party is against a secure border (mostly true), bans it, and shuts down news networks which disagree. Is that "presidential"?
We should learn from our mistakes, and should be ever more vigilant against giving up our freedom for the next "emergency".
That's my story and I'm sticking to it
On to more fun things like new revolvers.
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VikingsGuy
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Adapted from the humor thread . . .
Irrelevant
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Back to the topic at hand.
www.bbc.com
Leading pic doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy.
I hope they know the warranty claims take a bit of time.
Ukraine's recruits swap spreadsheets for sniper rifles to defend Kyiv
Preparing to defend Kyiv, Ukraine's new recruits must learn a new way of life - how to fight.
www.bbc.com
Leading pic doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy.
I hope they know the warranty claims take a bit of time.
Jack Ryan
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I'll try harder next time.
Back to the topic at hand.
Ukraine's recruits swap spreadsheets for sniper rifles to defend Kyiv
Preparing to defend Kyiv, Ukraine's new recruits must learn a new way of life - how to fight.
Leading pic doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy.
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I hope they know the warranty claims take a bit of time.
Vortex & a Tikka.
Who's missing from Hunt Talk lately?
VikingsGuy
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I too am hesitant to commit boots on the ground, and have limited interest in continually being the policeman of the world, but those aren't the arguments I see getting push back on this thread.
It is more the "Ukraine doesn't count", "US elites caused this", "Biden caused this", "Ukraine is corrupt", "Trump caused this", "it's all about Hunter Biden", "Ukraine's leader is a bad guy too", "Ukraine has Biolabs", "Nazi jews are running Ukraine", "insert random one world order conspiracy", etc that are being mocked. These are very different arguments than, "even though Ukraine is a free state and its people are unjustly suffering I am not yet willing to send my son to die for this fight".
Too often, rather than arguing what we should or should not do about the reality of the moment, we try to undercut the premise there is even a reality or a moment that is worthy of consideration. Sadly, not much different than climate change, continued difficulties of poor minority populations, the deficit, the ramifications of the de-industrialization of middle America, etc.
BigHornRam
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Proof that VG is part of the reptilian elites!
Conspiracy Theories - TIME
They are among us. Blood-drinking, flesh-eating, shape-shifting extraterrestrial reptilian humanoids with only one objective in their cold-blooded little heads: to enslave the human race. They are our...
Irrelevant
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3-way panel discussion between "experts" in Kyiv, Berlin, and Moscow. Seems like several feel like the negotiations are moot, and that we will see fighting at least until the fall.
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longbow51
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Wow, that explains a lot, and are most attorneys reptilians? And most politicians?Proof that VG is part of the reptilian elites!
Conspiracy Theories - TIME
They are among us. Blood-drinking, flesh-eating, shape-shifting extraterrestrial reptilian humanoids with only one objective in their cold-blooded little heads: to enslave the human race. They are our...content.time.com
Handlebar
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I largely agree with what you saying here, many times arguments are not based on a rational point but rather on whataboutism.
However, the faith of many has been undercut by a sense that the reality was either created by the powers that be and/or not fully vetted/questioned by journalists etc. If you question the official narrative you are either labeled a bot or censored. Prior to the Iraq invasion members of the political left expressed doubts about the operation. They were accused of being puppets for Saddam, we are seeing this again expressing doubt about the Ukraine or what level of support to render opens one up to either crackpot conspirator or Putin supporter.
4ohSick
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I think the main difference here is that Saddam wasn't actively waging a misinformation war against the West.
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