This is your property classification and appraisal notice

[more_cowbell]

Nah, I just hate horseshit, and most of the Ronnie's quotes and accomplishment are horseshit. Different government song and dance, but same result. Debt grew at a 14% annualized clip during his tenure. Federal government employees grew 1.5% and PEAKED in absolute number in 1990 (has been coming down or stead for decades now). The push to cut federal funding to various things caused the growth of government at the state and local level. Hence this thread. If you want to fix problems, you have to be honest about both past successes and failures. Or you can just throw out horseshit lines and live in the same fantasy world he did.

But isn’t the argument that we outspent the USSR which helped accelerate its collapse?

I’ll take “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” Over any speech Joe gives about his inflation reduction act…

 

[more_cowbell]

The hypocrisy of Ronnie was almost laughable, if it weren't so mean spirited.

The guy was president of the screen actors guild when he had to work for a living. The SOB was a union busting politician once he stopped. Imagine that.

Worst economic years for my family under Reagan, and for any other working class family that was paying attention.

Except some say the turning point in the campaign was when Reagan asked viewers if they were better off than four years earlier under Jimmy. The 80s were great!!

 

[more_cowbell]

Worst economic years for my family were under Reagans bullchit policy, and for any other working class family that was paying attention.

Because he raised taxes?

 

[Dakotakid]

When we return to Bozeman in August my first stop will be the Gallatin County Court House to report a broken calculator (or spread sheet). I can think of no other logical explanation for an 81% increase in valuation. Lots of discussion here about taxes. Some are apparently happy to pay them, others not so much. I think most of us understand taxes are a necessity to pay for services that are a function of government. Where many, including myself object, is the vast, out of control expansion of what the government, at virtually every level, decides to spend the tax revenue on. Thus the ongoing, “we need more” mentality. When does it end? Will it end? Gallatin Counay spending $650,000 on a new dog park. Minnesota spending tens of millions on a new, “Loon Center”. The federal government spending literally billions on political investigations and then turning around and spending more to investigate the investigators. At one time there was a theory that the expansion of the tax base (new homes, new businesses, new industry) was the property tax solution because it would result in more taxpayers sharing the necessary tax burden. Thus reducing the burden for each individual payer. I find it puzzling that communities where the tax base is expanding exponentially, like Bozeman and Fargo, the property taxes have skyrockete. So much for the “expand the tax base” theor.

The estimated 2023 tax is an improper estimate. Property tax increases are capped at half the rate of inflation by statute. The number of mills accessed is determined after valuation. If valuation goes up, the number of mills accessed goes down so that the total tax burden is capped at 1/2 of inflation.

It is unclear whether the inclusion of that estimate was innocent or nefarious.

But isn’t there a razor, that explains such.

As to Regan, who transferred social security payments from SS to the general fund to balance the budget of increased spending, shifting that liability to future generations who now claim SS is going broke. Impressive wealth transfer to baby boomers.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

but living in America

Reality

 

[BuzzH]

The 80s were great!!

What did you smoke?

 

[TOGIE]

Almost every government agency posts an annual budget on this magical interweb thingy. 99% of the people don't go and look at it, probably because they just want to complain about it. I remember when I lived in Billings we had ballot measures for milage increases to hire more cops. It failed while the number of meth heads increased, resulting in people complaining about an increase in crime and the lack of service from the police. Pretty much same story everywhere. People want everything but don't want to pay for it. Citizens should demand solutions to problems, but living in America means it must be paid for.

and literally every year the state of colorado asks taxpayers to pony up for wider highways and projects to ease congestion. taxpayers reject it every time.

so the state builds toll lanes, cause it needs to be paid for somehow and the citizens demand solutiosn. and then everyone complains that the state builds toll lanes instead of simply widening highways.

 

[more_cowbell]

What did you smoke?

Dude, read up on your US history. Everyone knows coke was the 80s drug of choice and fueled some of the best actions movies ever.

 

[Ben Lamb]

What did you smoke?

Brick weed. Cannot reccomend.

Dude, read up on your US history. Everyone knows coke was the 80s drug of choice and fueled some of the best actions movies ever.

Crack. They smoked Crack. Remember New Jack City!

 

[BuzzH]

Because he raised taxes?

No because he busted unions and every single lumber mill in the PNW and much of the Interior West took a $2/hour cut in pay.

That awesome "trickle down" Reaganomics bullchit economic theory.

 

[morley.tyler]

No because he busted unions and every single lumber mill in the PNW and much of the Interior West took a $2/hour cut in pay.

This is what I remember.


Also, MAGA folks praising Reagan, but also accepting DJT MF-ing McCain is hilarious.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Every Gen X'er on this thread right now:

 

[noharleyyet]

This is what I remember.


Also, MAGA folks praising Reagan, but also accepting DJT MF-ing McCain is hilarious.

Morely-T enters chat...

 

[more_cowbell]

No because he busted unions and every single lumber mill in the PNW and much of the Interior West took a $2/hour cut in pay.

That awesome "trickle down" Reaganomics bullchit economic theory.

My great grandpa logged in Western Oregon with horses, but more recently the Boise Cascade mill and other facilities in NE Oregon employed quite a few people through the 80s.

Maybe you're thinking of the 90s after NAFTA?

 

[Hem]

Say what you will.
Montana has massive surplus of funds.
Repubs could have considered waiting two years to decide on raising property taxes, maybe see if market values continue to hold. I doubt they will.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Say what you will.
Montana has massive surplus of funds.
Repubs could have considered waiting two years to decide on raising property taxes, maybe see if market values continue to hold. I doubt they will.

Republicans vote down long- term property tax relief bill

Eric Dietrich Montana Free Press House Republicans voted down a Democrat-backed bill Wednesday that would have used income tax credits to ease the squeeze placed on lower-income homeowners and renters by rising property taxes. House Bill 280, sponsored by Rep. Jonathan Karlen, D-Missoula, aimed...

www.havredailynews.com

 

[TheTone]

Every Gen X'er on this thread right now:

Yep, thanks boomers. Enjoy the two or three homes you own on acreage that you bought for 50 bucks

 

[BuzzH]

My great grandpa logged in Western Oregon with horses, but more recently the Boise Cascade mill and other facilities in NE Oregon employed quite a few people through the 80s.

Maybe you're thinking of the 90s after NAFTA?

No, I'm not. You must have been playing Rip Van Winkle.

Sure, they employed people, and made bigger profits when Reaganomics cut every worker $2 an hour.

 

[WildWill]

Seems Repubs still think it's style over substance.

If neither have substance is it Ok to go for style? Asking for a friend.

 

[rogerthat]

The hypocrisy of Ronnie was almost laughable, if it weren't so mean spirited.

The guy was president of the screen actors guild when he had to work for a living. The SOB was a union busting politician once he stopped. Imagine that.

Worst economic years for my family were under Reagans bullchit policy, and for any other working class family that was paying attention.

Why he's a hero of the GOP is a total mystery.

Ronnie’s terms were the best days of my life.

Mainly because I was drinking milk out of a bottle, people were wiping my ass and eventually I was chasing grass hoppers with a tennis racket during his term.