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Round In The Chamber

Do you carry one in the chamber while big game hunting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 90 52.0%
  • No

    Votes: 83 48.0%

  • Total voters
    173
From Grok:

Quantifying "how much more dangerous" it is to carry a centerfire rifle with a bullet in the chamber and the safety on versus without a bullet in the chamber requires looking at probabilities of accidental discharge and the factors that contribute to it. Hard data on this specific scenario is sparse because hunting accident statistics don’t always break down whether a round was chambered at the time of an incident. Still, we can reason through it with available evidence and principles of firearm mechanics.

### Accidental Discharge Risk
The key difference is that a rifle with a chambered round can fire if the safety fails or is bypassed, while an unchambered rifle cannot fire without deliberate action (chambering a round). According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) and state wildlife agency reports, unintentional discharges account for roughly 10-20% of hunting-related firearm incidents in the U.S. annually—translating to about 75-100 injuries or fatalities out of 500-1,000 total incidents (numbers fluctuate year to year). A significant portion of these involve loaded firearms, but exact chamber status isn’t consistently specified.

A 2019 analysis from the Hunter Incident Database (compiled by groups like the International Hunter Education Association) suggests that mechanical failures (e.g., faulty safeties) or human errors (e.g., bumping the safety off) contribute to around 5-10% of unintentional discharges. If we assume half of those incidents involved a chambered round—reasonable, since a loaded magazine alone won’t fire without chambering—the risk tied to a chambered round might be in the range of 2.5-5% of total incidents, or roughly 10-25 cases annually in the U.S. Compare this to an unchambered rifle, where the risk of firing without intentional chambering is effectively 0% (barring extremely rare defects like a slamfire, which is negligible in modern centerfire designs).

### Relative Danger Increase
Let’s estimate: if 10-25 annual incidents are linked to chambered rounds with safeties failing or being bypassed, and unchambered rifles drop that to near zero, the *relative risk* increase could be framed as 10-25 times higher with a chambered round. But this is per incident, not per hunter. In the U.S., about 11 million people hunt annually (per U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service data). Spread across that population, the per-hunter risk of an accidental discharge with a chambered round is tiny—roughly 0.00009% to 0.00023% (1-2.5 in a million). Unchambered, it’s effectively 0%. So, while the *relative* danger jumps significantly, the *absolute* risk remains low either way.

### Real-World Factors
- **Safety Reliability**: Modern safeties (e.g., crossbolt or tang designs) are robust, with failure rates likely below 1 in 10,000 uses under normal conditions. But hunting isn’t "normal"—mud, cold, or wear can compromise them. A chambered rifle depends on this single point of failure; an unchambered one doesn’t.
- **Human Error**: Studies like those from the Journal of Safety Research (2015) show human factors (e.g., fatigue, distraction) cause most firearm accidents. A chambered round amplifies the consequence of brushing the trigger or safety—say, a 1% chance of bumping the safety off in rough terrain becomes a 1% chance of a shot fired.
- **Contextual Use**: In dense brush or with a group, a chambered round’s risk rises due to more opportunities for snags or jostling. Solo, in open terrain, it’s less pronounced.

### Ballpark Estimate
If we synthesize this, carrying with a chambered round and safety on might increase your personal risk of an accidental discharge by a factor of 10-50 compared to unchambered, depending on how prone you are to error and how reliable your rifle is. In absolute terms, it’s like going from a 0.00001% chance of a mishap per hunt to a 0.0001% chance—still minuscule, but not zero. For a season of 20 hunts, that’s a cumulative risk of 0.002% (1 in 50,000) versus 0.0002% (1 in 500,000).

### Bottom Line
It’s measurably more dangerous—maybe 10-50 times riskier in relative terms—because it introduces a non-zero chance of firing tied to mechanical or human failure. In practical terms, though, both are safe if you’re meticulous, but the unchambered option is as close to foolproof as you can get without leaving the rifle at home.
 
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Also from Grok:

The effectiveness of carrying a centerfire rifle with a loaded chamber (bullet chambered, safety on) while hunting hinges on how much it improves your ability to take a shot quickly and successfully compared to carrying without a chambered round. This depends on the type of hunting, the game, and your skill level. Let’s break it down.

### Speed Advantage
Chambering a round takes time—typically 0.5 to 2 seconds, depending on the action type (bolt, lever, or semi-auto) and your familiarity with the rifle. For a bolt-action, a practiced hunter might need 1-1.5 seconds to rack the bolt, while a lever-action could be closer to 0.5-1 second. With a chambered round, you’re down to just disengaging the safety and pulling the trigger—often under 0.5 seconds total. This difference (0.5-1.5 seconds) can be critical in certain scenarios:
- **Upland Game (e.g., pheasant, quail)**: Birds flush suddenly, often giving you a 1-2 second window to aim and shoot. A chambered round could boost your success rate here by 20-50%, based on anecdotal reports from hunters on forums like X or articles in Field & Stream, where split-second timing is a common theme.
- **Dangerous Game (e.g., bear, boar)**: If charged, reaction time is life-or-death. A 1-second delay to chamber could mean missing a shot or worse. Guides in Alaska or Africa often insist on a chambered round for this reason—effectiveness might jump from 50% (needing to chamber under stress) to 90% (ready to fire).
- **Big Game in Thick Cover (e.g., deer in brush)**: Game can appear and vanish in 2-3 seconds. A chambered round might raise your shot success from 60-70% to 80-90%, per hunting success rate discussions in places like Outdoor Life.

For slower-paced hunts—like stalking deer in open country where you spot game at 100+ yards and have time to prepare—the difference shrinks to near zero. You’d chamber quietly well before the shot, making readiness irrelevant.

### Success Rate Impact
No hard statistical studies quantify this exact comparison across all hunting types, but we can estimate from related data:
- **Shooting Competitions**: Practical shooting sports (e.g., 3-Gun) show that drawing and firing a ready weapon is 1-2 seconds faster than loading and firing. In hunting, where you’re already shouldered or scanning, the gap narrows but persists.
- **Hunter Surveys**: Posts on X and forums like Reddit’s r/Hunting suggest 10-30% of missed opportunities (especially on small or fast game) stem from delays in readying a firearm. A chambered round eliminates this, potentially boosting success by that margin in dynamic situations.
- **Harvest Data**: States like Pennsylvania report annual deer harvests (e.g., ~300,000 in 2023), but don’t track chamber status. Still, hunters in thick woods often favor readiness, implying a 5-15% edge in shots taken versus missed due to timing.

### Trade-Offs
- **Noise**: Chambering a round can spook game—bolt actions are loud (50-60 dB, per noise studies), though lever actions are quieter. A chambered round avoids this, preserving stealth and adding a small effectiveness bump (maybe 5-10% fewer spooked animals).
- **Stress**: Under pressure (e.g., a charging bear), fine motor skills degrade. Fumbling a chambering action could cost you the shot; a chambered round sidesteps this, possibly doubling effectiveness in rare, high-stakes moments.

### Quantifying Effectiveness
- **Fast-Moving Game**: +20-50% more effective (e.g., hitting 5/10 flushing birds vs. 3/10) due to the speed gain.
- **Dangerous Game**: +30-50% (e.g., 9/10 successful stops vs. 5/10) where seconds decide survival.
- **General Big Game**: +5-15% (e.g., 8/10 shots taken vs. 7/10) in thick cover; negligible in open terrain.
- **Overall Average**: Across all hunting types, maybe +10-20% more shots successfully taken, weighted toward dynamic scenarios.

### Bottom Line
Carrying a loaded chamber is more effective—by 10-50% depending on the hunt—because it cuts reaction time and eliminates chambering noise or fumbles. The biggest gains are in fast-paced or high-risk situations; for methodical stalking, it’s barely noticeable. If success matters more than the small safety trade-off (0.0001% risk increase from earlier), it’s a practical edge, especially for less-experienced hunters who might hesitate or botch a manual action under pressure.
 
After these 10 pages I’m changing my ways. Thank you all.

In all seriousness, I thought about the times of “ quick off hand shots” while in thick timber. Every single one of them has had me verifying my target . with that simple step ima guess I have time to feed a round.
 
The only people dumber than the ones walking around all day with a loaded rifle, are the ones that think they might forget to chamber a round when they are ready to shoot.
I can’t wait to tell my buddy how dumb some internet dude thinks he is. He is one of those eastern guys who is used to carrying a round in the chamber when he is hunting. A few years ago, he went to Idaho to hunt elk with my brother and me. As we started up a hill from the truck, he saw that we had not chambered cartridges in our rifles so he cleared his chamber. Later, we had him set up on a 5 point bull. My brother and I were watching in anticipation, with our fingers in our ears, and then heard a little metallic click, just as the bull disappeared in the woods. We thought it was a lot more humerous than he did.

As an aside, would this guy be carrying “hot” or would he have a clear chamber?


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I can’t wait to tell my buddy how dumb some internet dude thinks he is. He is one of those eastern guys who is used to carrying a round in the chamber when he is hunting. A few years ago, he went to Idaho to hunt elk with my brother and me. As we started up a hill from the truck, he saw that we had not chambered cartridges in our rifles so he cleared his chamber. Later, we had him set up on a 5 point bull. My brother and I were watching in anticipation, with our fingers in our ears, and then heard a little metallic click, just as the bull disappeared in the woods. We thought it was a lot more humerous than he did.

As an aside, would this guy be carrying “hot” or would he have a clear chamber?
You're right....he's pretty dumb for doing that.
 
holy shit 10 pages before I even get a chance to piss anyone off!

Hells yes I do. damn near every time! I swear when I try to hike anywhere without one in the chamber, I stumble upon some buck or bull that I don't even see until I'm within pissin' distance, just staring at me, begging to go home with me, and just like the bag guy in every shitty movie, they flee at the sound of my hectic wrackin' one in the ole 270.

I fall in the camp that if you feel comfortable upland bird hunting with someone else, you already feel comfortable hiking, or falling, all day with a loaded rifle. Shit, the same duck blind t'ain't no safer.
 
From Grok:
### Relative Danger Increase
Let’s estimate: if 10-25 annual incidents are linked to chambered rounds with safeties failing or being bypassed, and unchambered rifles drop that to near zero, the *relative risk* increase could be framed as 10-25 times higher with a chambered round. But this is per incident, not per hunter. In the U.S., about 11 million people hunt annually (per U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service data). Spread across that population, the per-hunter risk of an accidental discharge with a chambered round is tiny—roughly 0.00009% to 0.00023% (1-2.5 in a million). Unchambered, it’s effectively 0%. So, while the *relative* danger jumps significantly, the *absolute* risk remains low either way.

As you post hard data is not readily available. But,,, if there are 25 incidents with accidental discharges with loaded weapons, resulting in injury or death, there are none with unloaded weapons. The increased risk is infinitely higher, certainly more than a 25 fold increase.

A common practice in a refinery is to have two valves for many situations. The failure rate on one valve is very low, maybe something like one in 5k. By double blocking with two valves, the chance of both valves failing is one in 2,500,000.

Leaving the chamber empty until you are prepared to shoot, provides a larger increased safety margin than double blocking tanks with two valves.
 
Shit, the same duck blind t'ain't no safer.
In all honesty that might be the most dangerous one by far and a big reason I don't hunt with big groups for field hunts like everyone does around here. 8 to 10 guys crammed in a panel blind you barely know all loaded with a 2ft foot shooting window, keeping your head down until somebody yells shoot. All while the wind and snow are blowing. Toss in a couple dogs that break at the sound of a safety clicking. No phuggin thanks. I keep it to 4 shooters or less and no more than one person is usually a guest and that's a rarity.
 

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