asdew1880
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Does anyone know how mountains get named?? Interested in how/where public actually has an interest and if public input and voting is the way it is done. If it's federal land does that get national input??
Offensive Mountain Name Changes
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RobG
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I think there is more than one reference to bloody dick. Maybe they should rename it Bad Luck Peak. Idaho has Beaver Dick park, but no relation so he was unlucky on more than one front.
I figured black referred to the color. I don't know if n-word was ever a non-derogitory reference, but negro is Spanish for black, our state motto is Spanish, and even Montana is Spanish for mountain. It seems odd Spanish people had so much influence in naming since I don't know of their history here. I'm not suggesting we need to keep the name Black, but lots of canyons are called black because of their basalt. But the real question is why are we honoring a washed up Canadian band with a carved mountain in the Black Hills?
Bigjay73
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It was a commonly used word, not sure of the feelings behind it in that era. Never read any Mark Twain?
Bigjay73
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I remember when they changed the name of Squaw peak in Phoenix, nobody really cared, except they renamed it after a fallen hero which was a great choice. I still call it Squaw peak out of habit though to be honest
Nameless Range
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I think in some and maybe most instances black does refer to the color. But I know of more than one summit as well as gulches, that have the lineage of N-word, to Negro, to black, and you can follow it on the maps.
Sometimes, the water rights associated with these places are what drove the name change.
Geetar, (-: for every action, there is a reaction
If and when I get home I am going to find another old lady who is ready to go on to the next life and pull a Thelma and Louise at the Grand Canyon. My attempt, as I fly off the edge, will be to get enough lift an momentum to destroy "Maidens Breast" as I always thought giving that mountain peak, that name, was a bit sexist AND also because it is so large and perfect --it is just to much to live up to (-:
In regards to the Washington Redskins. I grew up with and played, hunted, fished with Navajo children, so you would think this one would offend me more than it does, but there seems to be so much today that is suppose to offend us, that because of my age and mental and physical strength I have to pick and choose "offenses ", to be offended by, as I am no longer strong enough to be offended at everything.
To dissect it, especially compared to the Florida Seminoles, the Seminoles are a specific tribe and they gave their permission, so it might be considered more of an honor, as "Redskins" is directed at an entire race and at onetime the word was not used in a complementary manner.
I was more offended that Elizabeth Warren attempted to "be" an Indian in an effort to put herself in the minority somehow. However that was another "offense" I spent very little time thinking about.
I will tell you what really pisses me off. Old Age, Not being with hunting wife drinking homemade wine, not being back in California with Lv2hnt, Brittany Chukarman and noharleyyet and driving between the Bear, Troubadour, and Whiskey, listening and drinking with Linda, Emmylou, Gram, Glen, etc etc etc ---ahhh, the trouble we could have gotten into together. Granted, I would have been old enough to have been their mother but --whatever --music and good wine brings generations, races, and sexes together. Maybe the world just needs more music ? i.e. "We Are the World "! Maybe a good tune to play around the world right now.
If and when I get home I am going to find another old lady who is ready to go on to the next life and pull a Thelma and Louise at the Grand Canyon. My attempt, as I fly off the edge, will be to get enough lift an momentum to destroy "Maidens Breast" as I always thought giving that mountain peak, that name, was a bit sexist AND also because it is so large and perfect --it is just to much to live up to (-:
In regards to the Washington Redskins. I grew up with and played, hunted, fished with Navajo children, so you would think this one would offend me more than it does, but there seems to be so much today that is suppose to offend us, that because of my age and mental and physical strength I have to pick and choose "offenses ", to be offended by, as I am no longer strong enough to be offended at everything.
To dissect it, especially compared to the Florida Seminoles, the Seminoles are a specific tribe and they gave their permission, so it might be considered more of an honor, as "Redskins" is directed at an entire race and at onetime the word was not used in a complementary manner.
I was more offended that Elizabeth Warren attempted to "be" an Indian in an effort to put herself in the minority somehow. However that was another "offense" I spent very little time thinking about.
I will tell you what really pisses me off. Old Age, Not being with hunting wife drinking homemade wine, not being back in California with Lv2hnt, Brittany Chukarman and noharleyyet and driving between the Bear, Troubadour, and Whiskey, listening and drinking with Linda, Emmylou, Gram, Glen, etc etc etc ---ahhh, the trouble we could have gotten into together. Granted, I would have been old enough to have been their mother but --whatever --music and good wine brings generations, races, and sexes together. Maybe the world just needs more music ? i.e. "We Are the World "! Maybe a good tune to play around the world right now.
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MTLabrador
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VikingsGuy
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First, the slippery slope is one of the very weakest argument types. Second, many of us (me included) cheered heartily when we saw the statues of Stalin and Lenin removed all over Eastern Europe in the late 80's/early 90's. This stuff comes and goes. It becomes part of our history. Not going to lose sleep over this when there are much better reasons for sleeplessness these days.
VikingsGuy
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No way I'm signing that petition. Unbelievable where the "re-naming" is going. mtmuley
MTLabrador
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I’m with you on that one. Nothing derogatory at all about the Chinese Wall.
People are really starting to reach now. Borderline stupidity some of it. mtmuley
BigHornRam
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This might be a better choice for this thread, April. 
RobG
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Even before this unrest I thought Montana's highway patrol's motto of 7-7-7 was really inappropriate. That's an undisputed reference to Montana's vigilantes who took the law into their own hands and lynched several "bad guys" without much due process.
stealthy_bowman
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Always open to other views, but I’m really not sure what is being argued?Stalin and Lenin brought nothing but misery for Russians and certainly didn’t change the world in a positive way. That is not their legacy. Who wouldn’t have cheered their statues coming down?
RobG
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I skimmed through the article and holy sh*t, it's based on discrimination, but not what you think.
"I think it's pretty clear that after the Wuhan virus hit -- I think you've seen some of the polling on how the people feel about the Chinese right now," Fuchs said. "The Chinese just make it more and more clear what kind of threat they are to the world. For all of us to just sit around and accept that these people are reasonable actors is ... there's no reason for them to have a gratuitous name in the United States of America. That's where we're at with it."
MTLabrador
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Whoah... I missed that part when I skimmed it. That escalated quickly. I just assumed it was a continuation of renaming Chinaman and Confederate campgrounds.
But still stock our shelves with goods manufactured there. OK, let's change the name. I gotta go to Wal-Mart. mtmuley
BigHornRam
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Only a matter of time.....
www.npr.org
www.summitpost.org
Princeton To Remove Woodrow Wilson's Name From Public Policy School
Princeton trustees voted to remove Wilson's name from the School of Public and International Affairs. The board said, "Wilson's racist thinking and policies make him an inappropriate namesake."
www.npr.org
Mount Woodrow Wilson : Climbing, Hiking & Mountaineering : SummitPost
Mount Woodrow Wilson : SummitPost.org : Climbing, hiking, mountaineering
VikingsGuy
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Marx statues too. And I have a friend in Europe (an admitted communist) who was really pissed.
The point I was trying to make (while maybe poorly) was that when changes happen that we like we are happy and when changes that we don't like happen we are sad/confused/agree/disgusted/etc. Often the driver is whether we like it or not, not whether is it right or wrong.
They recently changed a Lake name in MPLS. It was Calhoun. I saw a survey that showed over 90% of twin cities residents didn't know who Calhoun was or why that was the name of the Lake, yet we had people crying on TV that we were destroying our history. How is it that we are changing our history when no one even knows the reference, and how is it's MN's history - Calhoun was a southerner who advocated slavery and segregation - MN was a free territory and fought with the Union. The question should not be why is the name changing, it should be, "who were the morons that named it that in the first place". It should have been named Colvill Lake if MN wanted to honor its history.
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