Losses at the Forest Service

[sclancy27]

Most people are too lazy to clear a trail.

I used to clear trail for USFS in college. Wilderness trails actually, so no use of chainsaws etc., all hand tools. No one volunteered for that, even the fire bros hated it.

 

[sccritterkiller]

Not the same funding you haven't a clue about a lot of things, one of the being how money is allocated.

Come now Buzz, have a cup of coffee, relax, and review the financial times. It appears "We the People" are paying for sub for the USDA.

 

[Treeshark]

The house across the street from me is up for sale, awesome neighborhood.

Could you imagine? Me and you neighbors?

I bet we would have lots of bbqs and garage beers

 

[more_cowbell]

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I still remember when my Modern Europe history professor was comparing the Hitler and Stalin regimes.

He drew the right/left spectrum on the chalkboard, then drew a two-way arrow between the extreme left and extreme right. They use most of the same tactics.

 

[BuzzH]

Could you imagine? Me and you neighbors?

I bet we would have lots of bbqs and garage beers

My garage is a pretty cool place to hang out...just sayin'.

Oh, and don't dilute yourself into thinking we wouldn't be car-pooling to Cheyenne to push 90-10 for deer, elk and pronghorn together.

 

[Oak]

Could you imagine? Me and you neighbors?

I bet we would have lots of bbqs and garage beers

Fact is, you probably would.

 

[SAJ-99]

If we could only agree on (disambiguate) an acceptable definition for the 'fix'

We need to start by disambiguating what the problem is.

This is just more of the same. Make cuts, project the savings out 10yrs, Ask CBO to make up an increase in GDP growth from cuts, extend current tax law (and maybe even sprinkle in a few more cuts). Viola! Magic math. I think we agree it is all fugazi, at least for the average american. Just need to keep them arguing over the scraps.

 

[Treeshark]

Fact is, you probably would.

That’s probably true, and I try to keep that in mind when things start getting a little heated on here.

 

[westbranch]

The good news is that DOGE is really helping lower the price of eggs.

 

[TOGIE]

Agreed but it was the western residents responsible for this though back then and through to today. It isn't the representatives from eastern states proposing and pushing the ideas of PLT right? The western residents are voting these people pushing this into office.

Yes, true, though for not all western states.

I think for starters it's a handful of key congressional republicans from a handful of key western states that push this hard. Also, while impossible to prove, I think if every hunter in every western state only voted on the issue of PLT when it came to their reps, and voted against, it wouldn't have changed the outcome in who got elected. In the grand scheme of things these people get elected for the bigger societal issues that galvanize republicans, public lands are, to overuse the term, an afterthought for the average voter, even the average sportsmen when they go to the booth. They are filling in the boxes with guns, tax cuts, and abortion on their minds, which is fine, but the politicians know this, and the voters all get duped by it when those folks wind up in congress pushing key pet projects mostly motivated by specific donor groups and some sweet sweet dollar bills.

It's a pet project for these reps that they utilize political capital move forward on - like i said, they were voted in for stances on abortion, guns, taxes, and of course their general anti liberalism. The eastern reps don't push PLT because they don't literally sit on the public land, they run on the issues that are important to their constituents. Sure, we then come full circle then to the issue raised by treeshark that public lands aren't as important to people that don't live near them.

I didn't really dig the web for this, but i do think americans as a whole poll strongly in favor of public lands and wild places. But when the rubber meets the road come election time folks vote for their team, not the myriad issues and nuance among them. That allows a handful of congressional reps to leverage admins like Trumps to ram through their pet projects, bit by bit.

And lets be clear, both sides of the aisle play the same playbook, and both R and D voters fall for it, almost gleefully.

 

[sclancy27]

My garage is a pretty cool place to hang out...just sayin'.

Oh, and don't dilute yourself into thinking we wouldn't be car-pooling to Cheyenne to push 90-10 for deer, elk and pronghorn together.

Delude....

That is all.

 

[TheTone]

The good news is that DOGE is really helping lower the price of eggs.

Gas too; only up 30 cents a gallon for me in the past couple weeks

 

[Gulf of America]

I find it interesting the amount of work that is contracted out by federal and state agencies. Cheaper More politically advantageous than a few more employees I guess

Fixed it for you. Every day I process contracts and invoices that send out Montana tax dollars at 6x what a state employee would cost because FTE's and pay rates are capped by the legislature, but money spent on consultants isn't.

 

[sclancy27]

Fixed it for you. Every day I process contracts and invoices that send out Montana tax dollars at 6x what a state employee would cost because FTE's and pay rates are capped by the legislature, but money spent on consultants isn't.

We have the same in the agency I work.

Federal contracting has increased 75%, ~$330 billion, in the last 10 years. That's annually, govt wide.

 

[jryoung]

Help me understand something about probationary periods.

Is it determined by how long you have been in a role or how long you have been with an agency or a mix of both?

 

[INMT]

Help me understand something about probationary periods.

Is it determined by how long you have been in a role or how long you have been with an agency or a mix of both?

It’s begins with your EOD with a permanent job. Seasonal time doesn’t count. From what I understand, you only go through it once.

 

[sclancy27]

Help me understand something about probationary periods.

Is it determined by how long you have been in a role or how long you have been with an agency or a mix of both?

If you are hired to a new agency or a new job role (usually promotion) you go thru either a 1-yr or 2-yr probation. 2-yr would be Schedule A or vets.

 

[Sytes]

AND many of the people who get those contractors going, insure they can do the job correctly, check on work etc. have just had their jobs axed.

Link or assumption? Have the "Contract Specialists, GS 9-12" only managed to remain in their position during probation? /rhetorical.

 

[Sytes]

If you are hired to a new agency or a new job role (usually promotion) you go thru either a 1-yr or 2-yr probation. 2-yr would be Schedule A or vets.

Probationary Period​

A new probationary period is not required after transfer. However, you would continue to serve the remainder of any probationary period which you were serving at the time of transfer. In most cases, you must wait at least three months after your latest non-temporary competitive appointment before you may be considered for transfer to a position in a different line of work, at a higher grade, or to a different geographical area. OPM may waive the restriction against movement to a different geographical area when it is satisfied that the waiver is consistent with the principles of open competition.

Details and Transfers Internationally

The Details and Transfers Internationally section assists Federal agencies in detailing or transfering an employee to any organization that the Department of State has designated as an international organization.

www.opm.gov

Click on the "Between Fderal Agencies" not the "To International Locations".

 

[INMT]

If you are hired to a new agency or a new job role (usually promotion) you go thru either a 1-yr or 2-yr probation. 2-yr would be Schedule A or vets.

We’ve been getting mixed info regarding this. Most folks are telling us it’s only for your first perm appointment, others say it’s any time you take a new job.

Seems like people didn’t care to research it until now.