Land management agency impact stories...

[BuzzH]

Lots of BLM lands in AK

National Park Service & BLM Employees Are Now Being Fired, Says USA Today

Nabesna NPS Visitor Center (Photo, Country Journal, Summer Of 2014) Impact Of Federal Cutbacks In Alaska, Other States Apparently Not Yet K...

www.countryjournal2020.com

 

[kansasdad]

Have I Got News For You US on Instagram: "Bears, Buffalos, NO TOILETS? Oh My! New episode tonight at 9 PM on @CNN. Streaming Sunday on @streamonmax #HIGNFYUS #Yosemite"

75K likes, 1,346 comments - hignfyus on February 22, 2025: "Bears, Buffalos, NO TOILETS? Oh My! New episode tonight at 9 PM on @CNN. Streaming Sunday on @streamonmax #HIGNFYUS #Yosemite".

www.instagram.com

 

[hank4elk]

No telling how bad it is here, smoke signals going,huddled conversations.

BLM leases held up.
Empty FS employee parking lot.

Did G&F get the state lands leased for hunting?

Just about every one here will be impacted. Ranchers,FS folks,BLM folks, outfitters, cafes...............

 

[Big Fin]

I'm sure that's the plan (From the agencies) is to make sure it is felt as far and wide as possible. Just like the government "shutdowns" of the past. First thing...close national parks Make the people feel it to put pressure to feed the pig.

That BS tactic won't work this time around.

Yes, it sucks that people lost their jobs. A few week notice would have been nice so the people could line up new jobs.

The interesting piece is how many people think all jobs were warranted without having any clue what they're doing.

There's a prime example. The spending was out of control. Hiring more people instead of getting the ones they have to actually work.

@dranrab how many inspections were you averaging a week? What should the numbers have looked like?

I know plenty of state & federal workers who literally don't do anything, and they brag about how little they have to do.

Cleaning up was a necessity, that could have been handled better, but at the same time, hasn't been handled yet. It's happening now.

Hey guys, you now have your own thread that has nothing to do with hunting. It's right here - https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/relax-everything-is-going-to-be-okay.328164/#post-3897918

This thread has been reported by the usual suspects and the thread at that link above has been reported. I'm gonna let them both ride for now. All of you who want to discuss the general politics of the day, go to that thread link above and keep your comments off that thread. And any politics posts trying to derail this thread will be deleted.

 

[sapperJ24]

@rjthehunter

One more time for you, the probationary employees from land management agencies that were fired were the field going folks. These are mostly gs4 and gs5s that work 6 to 9 months of the year. There's a few gs7s in there too. The vast majority of these people are public facing employees who can clearly articulate their role. The gs11s and 13s sitting at a desk were unaffected.

One of the biggest frustrations with these cuts is that everyone within the agencies recognizes there's room to improve and positions to reconsider and ways to improve efficiency, but that's not how it was rolled out.

 

[dranrab]

@rjthehunter

One more time for you, the probationary employees from land management agencies that were fired were the field going folks. These are mostly gs4 and gs5s that work 6 to 9 months of the year. There's a few gs7s in there too. The vast majority of these people are public facing employees who can clearly articulate their role. The gs11s and 13s sitting at a desk were unaffected.

One of the biggest frustrations with these cuts is that everyone within the agencies recognizes there's room to improve and positions to reconsider and ways to improve efficiency, but that's not how it was rolled out.

I am somewhat loathe to discuss this, but it's a comment that certainly invites thoughtful conversation. It could be that some of those folks will have to get away from the desk and get back into the field. If everyone recognized that there was room for improvement, positions to reconsider and ways to improve efficiency, why weren't they doing it? It sounds to me like we are finding a place to lay some of the blame.

 

[Irrelevant]

from one of my favorite wester reporters

People brace for impacts on land, water and wildlife after feds fire thousands over holiday weekend - High Country News

Career employees told HCN they were unsettled by the termination email sent by HR, which cited ‘performance issues.’

www.hcn.org

 

[Irrelevant]

https://www.theolympian.com/news/politics-government/article300748209.html

New bill would give laid-off federal workers preference in hiring for WA state jobs

 

[Nameless Range]

Not sure if this is the proper thread for this, but here is a letter from the Custer-Gallatin Working Group, which has a pretty diverse membership and is hardly a contingent with a political bent:



320 Hart Senate Office BuildingDirksen Senate Office Building SD-G55
Washington, D.C. 20515Washington, D.C.20515

Representative Ryan ZinkeRepresentative Troy Downing
212 Canon House Office Building1529 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515Washington, D.C. 20515

February 17, 2025

Dear Senator Daines, Senator Sheehy, Representative Zinke and Representative Downing,

We, the members of the Custer Gallatin Working Group, are writing today to express our strong disagreement with the recent U.S. Forest Service staff reductions. We ask that you contact President Trump and U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins regarding the considerable unintended consequences from this action. As Montana’s representatives in Washington, D.C., we request that you make it a priority to restore these positions and fully staff the US Forest Service so the agency can continue to do its important work for our state.

For many years, the Forest Service has struggled to increase the pace and scale of forest management and address the multitude of other needs that fall under multiple use management. (2019 National Association of Forest Service Retirees (NAFSR) work force capacity study.) This week’s force reduction will dramatically worsen this situation with severe consequences for the agency’s ability to manage our public lands far into the future. When combined with the ongoing freeze on federal grants and contracts, this force reduction could have significant negative consequences for important sectors of Montana’s economy, including the timber, agriculture and outdoor recreation industries.

The CGWG was organized by Carbon, Stillwater, Sweet Grass, Park, Gallatin, Big Horn, Powder River, Rosebud and Madison County Commissioners in southern Montana, whose overriding priority is public safety, health and general welfare within their counties. Each of these counties provides access to the Custer Gallatin National Forest and other public lands within their boundaries. The twenty-four designated seats on the collaborative include County Commissioners, representatives of conservation NGO’s, the ski industry, agriculture and ranching, recreation, hunters, anglers, outfitters, mining, and the timber industry.

This week, the Custer Gallatin National Forest laid off 36 employees across the forest. This is being repeated across the agency with at least 3,400 people losing jobs. This represents 10% of the total Forest Service workforce. These jobs are essential to managing recreation, combatting weeds, and implementing essential fuels reduction projects that improve community resilience to wildfire as well as forest health.

The Custer Gallatin Working Group has concerns over the effects of this reduction in force on specific projects that we have selected to engage.

1. The Cooke City Fuel and Forest Health Project; This project lies on the south side of Cooke City itself. This area was not affected by the 1988 fires and contains heavy fuels. The CGWG organized well attended field trips and public meetings in Cooke City and Gardner. If this project does not move forward, the entire community of Cooke City is at risk in a severe forest fire.

2. The Hyalite Cottonwood Fuels Project: Hyalite Canyon is the most heavily used recreational area on the Custer Gallatin National Forest and provides 80% of Bozeman’s municipal water supply. This area is also susceptible to an extreme fire event, which could damage Bozeman’s water supply as well as public and private infrastructure. This project is currently being designed and reliant on data collected during the field season by people in the kinds of positions just eliminated.

3. The Red Lodge Mountain Fuel Reduction and Forest Health Project. This area is also heavily fueled and there is large potential for a large catastrophic fire that would destroy Red Lodge Mountain Ski Resort, the largest private employer in Carbon County

Delays in these fuel reduction projects, if there are no “boots on the ground” to complete them, could cause collateral damage to Montana’s timber industry. Sun Mountain Lumber, with mills in Deer Lodge and Livingston, has stated that this, in addition to the end of the grant and loan programs, could cause them to close their mills. Without Montana’s lumber mills, there will be nowhere to send the material produced by forest restoration and fuels reduction projects. Increasing the pace and scale of projects that mitigate wildfire hazards requires both a viable Forest Service and timber industry. This force reduction combined with the freeze on federal grants and contracts threatens both.

The CGWG has also collaborated with Sibanye Stillwater and the Custer Gallatin National Forest to develop a tailings and waste rock management plan for both the East Boulder and the Stillwater mines. We trust that it is not necessary to emphasize the importance of Sibanye Stillwater to the economy of the State of Montana and the local communities. Forest Service staff reductions will further hobble Sibanye Stillwater’s ability to work in Montana and could have a devastating economic impact.
With the pressing need to address insect and disease outbreaks and hazardous fuels across the 3.2 CGNF million-acre forest, these workforce reductions will have enormous long-term consequences for the economies and safety of our communities. Due to already inadequate staffing levels, we have seen a decrease in the quality and quantity of recreation facilities, a significant backlog in special use permitting, and significant delays in everything from special use permitting to environmental analysis and decision making. Investments from the Legacy Restoration Fund, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and Inflation Reduction Act were beginning to address these issues, and those gains have now been eliminated.

National Forest lands support our Montana way of life in many ways – from lifestyles to livelihoods. These lands are the backbone of Montana’s economy, including timber, mining, grazing, and outdoor recreation. We need to invest in the Forest Service, so this land is properly cared for today and in the future.

As the budget reconciliation process proceeds in the next several weeks, we strongly urge you to reverse these reductions in the workforce at the USDA Forest Service and adequately fund the agency.

Sincerely,

John Prinkki, Chair, Custer Gallatin Working Group
Bill Wallace, Sweet Grass County Commissioner
Mike Story, Park County Commissioner
Bill Bullock, Carbon County Commissioner
Jennifer Boyer, Gallatin County Commissioner
Ed Joiner, Rosebud County Commissioner
Duke Gilman, Madison County Commissioner
Jeff Ruffatto, Stillwater County Commissioner
Nick Horn, Sun Mountain Lumber
Randy Weimer, Sibanye Stillwater
Jeff Schmidt, Red Lodge Mountain Ski Resort
Hilary Eisen, Winter Wildlands Alliance
Barb Cestero, The Wilderness Society
Sally Schrank, Greater Yellowstone Coalition
Jackie Walden
Zach Bailey, Southwest Montana Mountain Bike Association
Connor Parrish, Trout Unlimited

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

I am somewhat loathe to discuss this, but it's a comment that certainly invites thoughtful conversation. It could be that some of those folks will have to get away from the desk and get back into the field. If everyone recognized that there was room for improvement, positions to reconsider and ways to improve efficiency, why weren't they doing it? It sounds to me like we are finding a place to lay some of the blame.

Not exactly. Many of those 13's and 14's would in fact rather be doing field work than responding to the mind-numbing endless streams of paperwork, contracts, reporting requirements, never ending hiring panels and other stupid bs they are required to do. THIS is where the efficiency could have been easily identified. If only they were asked.

 

[mtmiller]

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

Well, they are trying to get rid of those too.

Permits? .... He don't need no stinkin permits

 

[NDGuy]

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[mtmiller]

This you?

Grand total for the day on this, including the original on Saturday, was 13 or 14 emails. What a cluster fugg. I was getting tired of the send it/don't send it/mandatory/optional messages. I was weak, so kept it accurate. That being said, I am sure no one read it anyway.

Pretty sure the wasted time on this could have funded a few 5/6/7 positions.