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Land management agency impact stories...

Honestly this just goes to show how little people know about what agency folks actually do. It's fairly common knowledge to anyone doing natural resource work in the west that all kinds of agency folks work fires in a significant capacity.

They can say whatever they want to try and CYA, firefighting will absolutely be negatively impacted this year.
Don’t know who this is, but seems like an appropriate line when discussing fire.

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Anyway all, please all carry on with stories of those impacted. I’ll also be looking forward to a thread of people’s field condition reports once the high recreation season gets into full swing.
 
The main difference between what you’re referring to in the private sector and what is happening in the government right now is strategy.

Im guessing when a corporation lays people off, it’s more researched and thought out. They don’t bring in outside consultants with zero working knowledge of that business and their teenage minions to haphazardly terminate probationary employees because they have less protections. I’m assuming the cuts have been thought out against how it will prop up their bottom line. None of that is being considered here.

When you have the director of OMB, Russell Vought saying: “We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected, When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains.”

There is something fundamentally wrong with that way of thinking. And it’s not to trim the fat. It’s not going to fix the deficit. They definitely over did it with the cuts to land management agencies.
I’ve been through several large corporate downsizes. They were strategically planned and completed in phases. Usually technology advances helped instigate the work consolidation and combing of groups to eliminate layers of management.retirement and separation packages are selectively offered. The reductions I have seen have worked.

There’s nothing strategic or planned by offering cart blanc separation packages or cutting the lowest layer of employees.
 
The government may seem dysfunctional, but generally, IMO its understaffed. I just can't figure out how firing people, destroying moral, and slashing shit is going to be good for anyone.

Going to be hard to drill, baby, drill when there is no one to issue permits and manage the mountains of paperwork.
Well, they are trying to get rid of those too.
 
... governments too need to reevaluate their operations and adjust accordingly, just like businesses do. We can't just keep things the same just because they have always been that way, some degree of adaptation is undoubtedly warranted.
The complete post reflects the skewed watermelons-to-giraffes analogy between private business and federal government. But above statement reflects lack of awareness of the continuous debriefings, trouble shooting, analysis and ever changing federal agency rules, policies and practices, many of which undergo lengthy extensive public comment and input processes prior to implementation. Furthermore, many of the changes and priority shifts not even desired by the agency are the mandates of Congress and often result in the inefficiencies sometimes very visable to the public and thus the source(s) of public criticism and complaints.
 
Then post the article with better info! It ain't that hard right? Half the battle here is sorting through the biased BS...
Unfortunately, the conflicting information is exactly representative of and accurately depicts the situation we are in. We have been repeatedly told certain jobs were exempt, yet people I know in those jobs are still being fired. You might not like it but it’s absolutely what is happening.
 
Unfortunately, the conflicting information is exactly representative of and accurately depicts the situation we are in. We have been repeatedly told certain jobs were exempt, yet people I know in those jobs are still being fired. You might not like it but it’s absolutely what is happening.
We are waiting the inevitable for the clerk at work. 40 year civil service veteran, took her 1st promotion last Nov. Great employee, just stayed in our small section. We are self funded, zero tax dollars go to our salary. We bring in 4-5x the revenue it costs to fund us. 20 years ago,the section was 6 foresters and 3 clerks. Now 3 foresters and 1 clerk. We have to cover the same area and do the same job. Looks like we are gonna lose 1 forester who asked a question about the "deferred resignation". After asking his question to OPM, he got added to the list. Haven't been able to remove him. Now the clerk is probably gone. Gonna be hard to cover the basics. Oldest forester is set to retire later this year. That will just leave me. Assuming I get thru all these "what have you done this week" emails.
 
The complete post reflects the skewed watermelons-to-giraffes analogy between private business and federal government. But above statement reflects lack of awareness of the continuous debriefings, trouble shooting, analysis and ever changing federal agency rules, policies and practices, many of which undergo lengthy extensive public comment and input processes prior to implementation. Furthermore, many of the changes and priority shifts not even desired by the agency are the mandates of Congress and often result in the inefficiencies sometimes very visable to the public and thus the source(s) of public criticism and complaints.
It's a viscous cycle, to be sure.
 
We are waiting the inevitable for the clerk at work. 40 year civil service veteran, took her 1st promotion last Nov. Great employee, just stayed in our small section. We are self funded, zero tax dollars go to our salary. We bring in 4-5x the revenue it costs to fund us. 20 years ago,the section was 6 foresters and 3 clerks. Now 3 foresters and 1 clerk. We have to cover the same area and do the same job. Looks like we are gonna lose 1 forester who asked a question about the "deferred resignation". After asking his question to OPM, he got added to the list. Haven't been able to remove him. Now the clerk is probably gone. Gonna be hard to cover the basics. Oldest forester is set to retire later this year. That will just leave me. Assuming I get thru all these "what have you done this week" emails.
I know the feeling. We have one unit that was down to 2 staff. One eligible to retire took the buyout. The entry level guy we hired to take over some of his duties got fired. So now zero staff. Assuming it will be shuttered.
 
We are waiting the inevitable for the clerk at work. 40 year civil service veteran, took her 1st promotion last Nov. Great employee, just stayed in our small section. We are self funded, zero tax dollars go to our salary. We bring in 4-5x the revenue it costs to fund us. 20 years ago,the section was 6 foresters and 3 clerks. Now 3 foresters and 1 clerk. We have to cover the same area and do the same job. Looks like we are gonna lose 1 forester who asked a question about the "deferred resignation". After asking his question to OPM, he got added to the list. Haven't been able to remove him. Now the clerk is probably gone. Gonna be hard to cover the basics. Oldest forester is set to retire later this year. That will just leave me. Assuming I get thru all these "what have you done this week" emails.
Highlights just one of the head shaking ironies inherent in their actions.

There is zero doubt the feds will be able to market and sell less timber based on my conversations. Zero.

Loggers and timber industry strongly support republicans. Often claim (incorrectly in many cases) the forest is being mismanaged and more needs to be cut to prevent forest fires and for other reasons.

Just one of MANY counterproductive things that are starting (based on what I hear) to create a STRONG backlash to republicans all around the country.
 
Highlights just one of the head shaking ironies inherent in their actions.

There is zero doubt the feds will be able to market and sell less timber based on my conversations. Zero.

Loggers and timber industry strongly support republicans. Often claim (incorrectly in many cases) the forest is being mismanaged and more needs to be cut to prevent forest fires and for other reasons.

Just one of MANY counterproductive things that are starting (based on what I hear) to create a STRONG backlash to republicans all around the country.
Right now I have 50 civilians working on timber sale contracts. When the weather dries up, that will be 100-120. If we aren't here, they can't work on govt lands. All from rural areas where jobs matter. It just doesn't make sense.
 
Honestly this just goes to show how little people know about what agency folks actually do. It's fairly common knowledge to anyone doing natural resource work in the west that all kinds of agency folks work fires in a significant capacity.

They can say whatever they want to try and CYA, firefighting will absolutely be negatively impacted this year.

Honestly, the patronizing tone around here lately is getting tiresome. My point was to encourage people to post articles with good info because the first one I read sucked, but apparently we're not worried about that anymore. Have fun...
 
Honestly, the patronizing tone around here lately is getting tiresome.

I’m sensing a bit of that as well.

I certainly feel for every person who lost their job, and there is a TON to not like about what is going on.

Right now, the federal workforce has the moral high ground. The would be wise to not overplay that hand.
 
Honestly, the patronizing tone around here lately is getting tiresome. My point was to encourage people to post articles with good info because the first one I read sucked, but apparently we're not worried about that anymore. Have fun...
Unless you have a story to share, take it elsewhere. That's what this thread is about, impacts to people going through this in their words, in their personal stories.

Nobody is concerned about bruising your feel bads, least of all those that lost a job.
 
I’m sensing a bit of that as well.

I certainly feel for every person who lost their job, and there is a TON to not like about what is going on.

Right now, the federal workforce has the moral high ground. The would be wise to not overplay that hand.
This thread is for personal stories about people getting wrongly fired from land management agencies.

Your post adds nothing constructive or even a story about a federal land manager who was fired in this mess.
 
Honestly, the patronizing tone around here lately is getting tiresome. My point was to encourage people to post articles with good info because the first one I read sucked, but apparently we're not worried about that anymore. Have fun...
It's a fair point, but it also goes both ways. It's pretty annoying to people that understand how things work to constantly have to explain things to highly opinionated people that don't. It's also annoying when any little thing that gets posted here gets an annoying and out of place "well what about". The gofund me the other day was a particularly egregious example of that.

Funny thing is, it wasn't even meant to be a call out of your understanding. It was a simple and true statement. What is common knowledge to a lot of people in these fields is poorly understood by a lot of people.
 
I heard Lolo National Forest lost 45 employees last week. Hurts to hear about it all together and hurts even worse when it affects people you know. I can't imagine what it would feel like being one of the people that got let go for no justifiable reason.
 
Such are the consequences of a government that has been on a spending and money printing spree for over 2 decades. There's no way to reign it in without pain. Americans are soft and don't have the resiliency and fortitude to suck it up. I well remember all the sad stories that were told here about the Keystone Pipeline workers. At least we are consistent.
 

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