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[Bigjay73]

Bald eagles show signs of widespread lead poisoning

The resurgence of bald eagles has been heralded as one of the great conservation successes in the U.S. But a study suggests lead is stunting population growth.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[LuketheDog]

"Lead ammunition is designed to fragment."

Well, at least the research scientists know what they're talking about.

 

[mtmuley]

More lead bans coming to a state near you. mtmuley

 

[Arcola]

Maybe not the most accurate reporting, weird... Maybe blown out of proportion. I don't know. But, this issue is gaining steam regardless of your personal opinion or ammo preference. Copper monos have made huge strides in recent years. Why not switch? We all do a ton of other things in the name of conservation of our natural resources. Why not this? I've summoned my inner tree hugger.

 

[bpeay4]

I wouldn't be opposed to a lead ban if copper or steel etc. ammunition was more readily available and affordable but in today's market it is tough to find ammunition at all. I have also read that birds intake more lead from old paint than from bullets but not sure if that is true

 

[mtmuley]

Maybe not the most accurate reporting, weird... Maybe blown out of proportion. I don't know. But, this issue is gaining steam regardless of your personal opinion or ammo preference. Copper monos have made huge strides in recent years. Why not switch? We all do a ton of other things in the name of conservation of our natural resources. Why not this? I've summoned my inner tree hugger.

The majority of hunters won't switch until it's a regulation. Just a fact. mtmuley

 

[std7mag]

Yeahhhhh....

And coyotes don't kill fawns or elk calves either.

 

[BrentD]

I wouldn't be opposed to a lead ban if copper or steel etc. ammunition was more readily available and affordable but in today's market it is tough to find ammunition at all. I have also read that birds intake more lead from old paint than from bullets but not sure if that is true

I surely would. I'm out of business without lead. But then, without a tag, I suppose it doesn't really matter.

 

[thusby]

Technically, elevated levels of lead are anything above a set standard range. And you can be chronically exposed at that level for your entire life without reaching levels that cause any health effects because you constantly pass lead through your system.
So if you set your standard to a 20x factor of safety, like OSHA does, then you can cause a panic any time you want.

 

[rwc101]

I wouldn't lose much sleep if lead were banned for centerfire cartridges and shot shells. Creating an exception for muzzleloaders and black powder cartridges would have a negligible effect.

Estimating Lead Fragmentation from Ammunition for Muzzleloading and Black Powder Cartridge Rifles

Abstract. Lead bullet fragments pose a health risk to scavengers and hunters consuming game meat, but lead or lead-core bullets are still commonly employed for big and small game hunting. Bullet fragmentation has been assessed for modern, high-velocity rifles, but has not been well documented...

meridian.allenpress.com

 

[marksjeep]

Longstanding discussion with multiple journal articles about this topic over here:
https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/interesting.304008/

Also includes internet banter, name calling, all the goodness of an off-season thread. Why reinvent the wheel?

 

[Don Fischer]

Maybe not the most accurate reporting, weird... Maybe blown out of proportion. I don't know. But, this issue is gaining steam regardless of your personal opinion or ammo preference. Copper monos have made huge strides in recent years. Why not switch? We all do a ton of other things in the name of conservation of our natural resources. Why not this? I've summoned my inner tree hugger.

I can't remember a lot about copper mono bullets but. As I recall a box of lead core bullets was somewhere around $20 to $22 for 100. Mono bullets if I remember were something like $50 for 50. I am not wealthy I can see some value in mono bullet's but don't intend to spend the money to try them even! Modern rifles were designed around bullets with a lead core. Imagin that rifle with a longer magazine and throat to allow seating out mono bullets farther? So we have rifles designed for lead core bullets and want to shoot monolithic bullets in them. Copper weight's less than lead so I assume a 165gr monolithic is longer than a 180gr lead core an I would think requires a faster twist to stabilize it. You end up with a rifle your having to go down in bullet weight to make it work with a bullet that may be less desireable at delivering the kill shot. Lot to say for someone that believes he can take any N.A. game animal with a 22 LR!

When the market has only copper monos for bullet's I suspect, the price is going to go up yet again. Imagine looking for bullets on sale for $100 per 50! Oh yea, what will they design for black powder shooters? Or will black powder shooting be illegal? How about cast bullet shooters? Simply tuff luck?

 

[44hunter45]

The majority of hunters won't switch until it's a regulation. Just a fact. mtmuley

I'm trying, but I got $$$ in lead core bullets sitting on the shelf. I'm too much a tightwad to get rid of it.

New calibers going into the safe get started on Hammers.

 

[thusby]

I already changed to copper due to availability.
….but man is that stuff expensive.

 

[runningmt]

Honestly, I’d love to switch. Current market doesn’t allow for any purchase, much less a change.

Fortunately, I believe my carbon arrows with stainless steel broadheads are lead-free.

If the ammo/components stupidity continues, I will be strictly a bowhunter in the near future.

 

[Cousin Basil]

Junk science. Bleeding heart story. Notice the picture of the "fragmented bullet." How many times have you seen a bullet fragment like that in flesh? It looks like they shot a steel plate for a better visual effect.
Give them and inch and they will take it all. Next comes the copper poisoning "study," Just wait. Fight tooth and nail to the end.

Anybody here "agreeing" with this premise - will you be happy with $5/round 22LR?

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

I live a couple miles from a place that is one of the most heavily hunted and recreational shooting areas I have ever seen. On a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday it's nothing to see 40-50 vehicles in the area. Shooting, fishing, or hunting. This area also has more eagles than I've ever seen. The last 6 mile canoe trip I took thru the area the wife and I counted 56 eagles bald and golden. I see anywhere from 15 to 20 eagles everytime I go down there which is multiple times a week. If these numbers were accurate one would think I'd stumble onto a sick eagle after 7 years.

 

[Brittany Chukarman]

I live a couple miles from a place that is one of the most heavily hunted and recreational shooting areas I have ever seen. On a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday it's nothing to see 40-50 vehicles in the area. Shooting, fishing, or hunting. This area also has more eagles than I've ever seen. The last 6 mile canoe trip I took thru the area the wife and I counted 56 eagles bald and golden. I see anywhere from 15 to 20 eagles everytime I go down there which is multiple times a week. If these numbers were accurate one would think I'd stumble onto a sick eagle after 7 years.

There's sure no shortage of eagles over here also. Both bald and golden.

 

[Redman]

Here in the Hoosier state 20 years ago you pretty much had to drive to Wisconsin to see an eagle. Now I can drive down to the local river road and count 20+. Not sure lead is a big problem.
That being said after meeting with Chris Parish and Leland Brown and seeing the evidence first hand I made the switch to copper and won't switch back.

 

[Fullquiver]

Our Green energy windmills kill manifold times more eagles..

Here were I live they are everywhere, You see them on every road kill carcass on every road around me. They are all over the place hundreds of them where only a few years ago there where virtually non existent.. I won't say that this is a complete non issue but hardly any kind of factor when you look at the success of the repopulation of the species.. I've seen as many as 7 on 1 road killed deer less than 5 miles from my house and you can not drive more than a mile or 2 down any road near me without seeing at least 1.. They are quite a success story and this is just more propaganda.