COVID-19 Links, facts and discussion. Politics and hyperbole welcome.

[LWC55]

Why such a large difference in fatality rates across European nations? - Marginal REVOLUTION

Here is a relevant tweet thread started by Moritz Kuhn, many interesting comments. For instance Moritz writes: “What is more, it may provide a warning sign for those countries where the elderly and the young live close together, how important it is to contain the virus there early on. These...

marginalrevolution.com

Good stuff in the comments too.

Thanks for posting. Good info and discussion. Especially the comments. Lots of data being interpreted in different ways. Will be interesting to see how the consensus plays out.

 

[onpoint]

As for the mask shortage thing, my wife is an ICU nurse here at the largest hospital in Oregon. They are honest to God talking about having to wear homemade cloth masks because of the impending shortage and because people have been stealing masks. My mom is currently sewing her a bunch of masks. This is a level 1 trauma center we’re taking about. In America.

Thanks for that - absolutely.
This (rtraverdavis's post) is hyperbole - factual hyperbole.
Links, graphs, charts, etc are all great - but impersonal as hell.
This above post is real life experience - real life.
I have no time for any down play or minimalization of this thing we are all in together.
Not in any way trying to hijack your thread Randy11.
Quite the opposite - looking out for you, my 79 year old mom, my deputy sheriff brother and his 6 year and 15 year olds, my old fly tying mentor, and on and on.
You don't get it - no words are necessary.
Best to your wife and yours rtraverdavis.
Tim

 

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Asthma ain’t no good though. Sending up a prayer.

I actually heard otherwise yesterday from the ImmunoDeficiency Foundation. No doubt there's still tons of conflicting data though.

Here's the video, it's directed at immunodeficient folks, but there may be some good stuff in there for the general population-

COVID-19 Update, March 18, 2020 | Immune Deficiency Foundation

March 18, 2020 COVID-19 update from IDF Physician Advisory Committee. Resources: Why do we touch our face? Tips for breaking the habit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sxI7s8p99o Four tips to stop touching your face: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/health/stop-touching-your-face-coronavirus.html

primaryimmune.org

 

[406dn]

Dangerous Curves › American Greatness

If you weren’t very ill in late January or February, you probably know someone who was. The complaints often sounded the same: A fever for days, a stubborn and unusual-sounding cough…

amgreatness.com

Just posting an article. Different perspective for sure.

Square that with what is happening in NYC right now. There is no way we have missed many thousands of cases of COVID-19.

 

[hossblur]

Because Trump isn't a lifelong politician.

Can you imagine when he called in 3m and some others to try to get them to up production and was told all they needed was the lawyers off their back.

Having sat through planning commission, wildlife, and school board meetings I have yet to ever leave and not been in amazement.

Would have been interesting to see the look, and hear the language.

CNN and Newsweek have both reported patient 0 in China was Nov 17. Which could have meant infectious on nov4.

Of course it was here MUCH earlier.

And that's IF you believe it was Nov 17. After all I find it interesting it was a OPTHAMOLOGIST that alerted the world. Seems a long way down the chain of Dr that would deal with a lung infection.

 

[LWC55]

Square that with what is happening in NYC right now. There is no way we have missed many thousands of cases of COVID-19.

You sure about that? How many hospitalized flu cases in a bad year for NYC? Population 8.6 million. Is a few thousand extra a really bad flu year or totally exrtaordinary?
Some perspective would help. I'm not saying it is or it isn't. Just not sure.

 

[LWC55]

Dr. Oz said on Fox about an hour ago that he started hearing about really bad flu symptoms as early as December. He wouldn't say for sure one way or another if he thought it was Corona but said it was possible that it could have been in the US for longer than we originally thought. He said ultimately we didn't start getting concerned and tracking it until it hit the nursing home in WA. Not big news because there is already lots of speculation on this. But interesting nonetheless

 

[406dn]

Tell me the last time you saw the governor of NY on the TV every day saying they would run out of ICU beds and ventilators. Tell the last time a president sent a floating hospital towards a state? We both know, this is dramatically different than anything we've seen in our lifetime.

 

[noharleyyet]

I'd like to see & hear Dr Fauci tell everyone at the pressers to STFU and listen...everyone.

 

[LWC55]

This blood test can tell us how widespread coronavirus really is

A test can see if a person has ever been infected, even if they had no symptoms.

www.technologyreview.com

Couple days old. But interesting excerpt from an article from MIT Technology Review:

The new coronavirus has killed more than 8,700 people, which is about 4% of the 214,000 confirmed cases, making for a shocking death rate.

But the real fatality rate among everyone infected by the virus is certainly lower, and possibly much lower. The reason epidemiologists can’t say for sure is they don’t know how many people are infected but never go to the hospital or even have symptoms. In essence, modelers are missing an accurate denominator of the death-rate calculation.

That’s a huge problem for setting policy. John Ioannidis of Stanford University, writing March 17 in the publication STAT, argued that the true death rate could be less than that of the seasonal flu. If so, “draconian countermeasures” are being decided amidst an “evidence fiasco” of “utterly unreliable” data about how many people are infected.

Just this week, a report estimated that early in the outbreak only 1-in-5 to 1-in-10 of the actual infections were being documented.

 

[Nameless Range]

I have found a lot of value in Peter Attia's podcast and insta videos on Coronavirus. The guy has a team of researchers who understand medical science and statistics, and for the most part my impression of him is he is agendaless, outside of the truth. He said this recently, which was kind of a good step back for me to think about, after reading two dozen articles today, many conflicting, some dark, some hopeful.


"The signal to noise ratio is low, and the volume of data is unprecedented."

That my not be comforting to you, but I think it is true and good to remember when trying to synthesize the hundreds of articles already posted on this thread.

 

[schmalts]

Tell me the last time you saw the governor of NY on the TV every day saying they would run out of ICU beds and ventilators. Tell the last time a president sent a floating hospital towards a state? We both know, this is dramatically different than anything we've seen in our lifetime.

Anyone reading this who disagrees is an idiot and will be proven so in a week. under 300 cases on Monday, over 7000 today. If 7000 tested positive think of how many are still in the incubation stage without symptoms. My guess is over 20000 this time next week and if not it is because they ran out of tests. This is not comparable to the flu, way worst and a much higher percent require intensive care. In Spain the death rate right now is 1 out of 20..... My guess is because lack of Ventilators.

 

[Irrelevant]

The long term lung damage for younger people definitely has me concerned. Almost everything I love doing requires healthy lungs.

 

[Irrelevant]

BTW, does anyone else see that WA seems to be getting a handle on this? We've had WAY fewer deaths or new cases lately. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

[onpoint]

I've talked to more than a few individuals, perfectly capable of preparing all of their own food, "going to the take outs".
And the myriads of govt's condoning it.
Still waiting to see when that (ir)rationale will come into question.

 

[huntid73]

The long term lung damage for younger people definitely has me concerned. Almost everything I love doing requires healthy lungs.

I saw that exercise (swimming, running) should help improve lung capacity over time

Those Who Recover From Coronavirus Can Be Left With Reduced Lung Function, Say Doctors

People who recover after being infected with the novel coronavirus can still be left with substantially weakened lung capacity, with some left gasping for air when walking quickly, doctors in Hong Kong have found.

www.sciencealert.com

 

[elkduds]

I am right there w the voices here saying, "Now it is more important to do best for most, not just me."

Here is some simple math that our leaders can manage: Take the total chunk of stimulus $. Issue it to each state by proportion of its portion of total US population. State legislatures should decide how to distribute that state's portion of stimulus $ better that the US gov't can. IMO.

 

[mtmuley]

I'd like to see & hear Dr Fauci tell everyone at the pressers to STFU and listen...everyone.

Yep. Watching him now. mtmuley

 

[Jasher]

I am right there w the voices here saying, "Now it is more important to do best for most, not just me."

Here is some simple math that our leaders can manage: Take the total chunk of stimulus $. Issue it to each state by proportion of its portion of total US population. State legislatures should decide how to distribute that state's portion of stimulus $ better that the US gov't can. IMO.

In states that collect sales tax they could drop that for awhile.

 

[onpoint]

OUR president, fact - deal with it - said today....
Once again -paraphrasing but close - look it up:
"people in the midwest are watching it from television - they don't have the same problems".
Saw it, heard it.
When is enough enough?..................
This does not have to be deemed a political post - for those that understand that statement. There are a lot of really intelligent people on here..................................................