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406dn
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That is the biggest break we could ever catch.
While visiting with my brother, he was thinking it might play out that way. His thoughts were that while it has been spreading the southern hemisphere, it has not spread like it has in Europe or North America. I do not know if that is reflective of a lack of testing there, or hopefully reality.
BuzzH
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Time can buy the vaccine...
That will surely include strict measures to isolate and protect the most vulnerable—our elderly and those with underlying medical problems. This should not become a debate over how many lives to sacrifice against how many lost jobs we can tolerate. Substantial social distancing and other measures will have to continue for some time in some form, depending on how our knowledge of the virus and its effects evolves.
But no society can safeguard public health for long at the cost of its overall economic health. Even America’s resources to fight a viral plague aren’t limitless—and they will become more limited by the day as individuals lose jobs, businesses close, and American prosperity gives way to poverty. America urgently needs a pandemic strategy that is more economically and socially sustainable than the current national lockdown.
Some in the media who don’t understand American business say that China managed a comparable shock to its economy and is now beginning to emerge on the other side. Why can’t the U.S. do it too? This ignores that the Chinese state owns an enormous stake in that economy and chose to absorb the losses. In the U.S. those losses will be borne by private owners and workers who rely on a functioning private economy. They have no state balance sheet to fall back on.
The politicians in Washington are telling Americans, as they always do, that they are riding to the rescue by writing checks to individuals and offering loans to business. But there is no amount of money that can make up for losses of the magnitude we are facing if this extends for several more weeks. After the first $1 trillion this month, will we have to spend another $1 trillion in April, and another in June?
By the time Treasury’s small-business lending program runs through the bureaucratic hoops—complete with ordering owners that they can’t lay off anyone as a price for getting the loan—millions of businesses will be bankrupt and tens of millions will be jobless.
Nameless Range
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My gut says this is just correlation related to where people live and not latitude and climate. But I did think it was interesting.
Tracking coronavirus around the world from 725 West Baltimore Street | COMMENTARY
An old complaint about the weather in central Maryland and the southern edge of the mid-Atlantic is that we don’t get much of a spring here. In many years, the climate seems to jump from wint…
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Agreed, this is all about buying time. An antiviral treatment would be equally as valuable as a vaccine. Of course, a readily available and reliable test would be nice too.......
And even less time can buy antivirals, more tests and medical equipment production. Buying time seems incredibly valuable right now.
My wife got word today that she doesn't have a job to go back to at the end of the two weeks we were worried about.
However, her employer had safety nets in place to buy her 2 months before she has to apply for unemployment. Two months seems like an absolute eternity right now.
In my layman’s view, I think we will have to continue the societal adjustments for quite some time. It won’t be safe nor prudent not to until a vaccine exists.
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And other treatment, and ICU/hospital capacity, and domestic manufacturing of PPE.
Time is what we need.
onpoint
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As far as the seasonality aspect, (I'm not gonna' post links, because we all can search the www - ).......
1918 virus came back with a vengeance the following winter.
One scenario - one - "we" actually isolate for goddamned real and maybe blunt this thing enough to make a difference. Still the winter return would be an unknown.
Interesting how some of us berate (read me) the spring breaker types because they are out there doing their thing.
As hunters - fall will be the time for us to be doing ours. How will we react when the sound of bulls, falling leaves, and chasing antelope bucks get going........
The instinctual pull of the hunt, for a lot of us, is stronger than the pull to procreate. Especially for us boomers who really don't have a stake anymore in the latter
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Will be interesting to see - when this is what it will be then - this fall the response of us fiercely independent and arrogant hunter types.
The thought of my dogs idle - not running a ridge at 8234', me behjnd with the 16 at the ready, or October antelope camp, empty - is pretty distasteful.......
This is gonna' be a long run deal, and I listen to anyone attempting to prognosticate with - at best - caution.
Except the folks whose soul mission - with no other motives - is to get us through to the other side.
1918 virus came back with a vengeance the following winter.
One scenario - one - "we" actually isolate for goddamned real and maybe blunt this thing enough to make a difference. Still the winter return would be an unknown.
Interesting how some of us berate (read me) the spring breaker types because they are out there doing their thing.
As hunters - fall will be the time for us to be doing ours. How will we react when the sound of bulls, falling leaves, and chasing antelope bucks get going........
The instinctual pull of the hunt, for a lot of us, is stronger than the pull to procreate. Especially for us boomers who really don't have a stake anymore in the latter
.Will be interesting to see - when this is what it will be then - this fall the response of us fiercely independent and arrogant hunter types.
The thought of my dogs idle - not running a ridge at 8234', me behjnd with the 16 at the ready, or October antelope camp, empty - is pretty distasteful.......
This is gonna' be a long run deal, and I listen to anyone attempting to prognosticate with - at best - caution.
Except the folks whose soul mission - with no other motives - is to get us through to the other side.
ImBillT
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As far as the seasonality aspect, (I'm not gonna' post links, because we all can search the www - ).......
1918 virus came back with a vengeance the following winter.
One scenario - one - "we" actually isolate for goddamned real and maybe blunt this thing enough to make a difference. Still the winter return would be an unknown.
Interesting how some of us berate (read me) the spring breaker types because they are out there doing their thing.
As hunters - fall will be the time for us to be doing ours. How will we react when the sound of bulls, falling leaves, and chasing antelope bucks get going........
The instinctual pull of the hunt, for a lot of us, is stronger than the pull to procreate. Especially for us boomers who really don't have a stake anymore in the latter
Will be interesting to see - when this is what it will be then - this fall the response of us fiercely independent and arrogant hunter types.
The thought of my dogs idle - not running a ridge at 8234', me behjnd with the 16 at the ready, or October antelope camp, empty - is pretty distasteful.......
This is gonna' be a long run deal, and I listen to anyone attempting to prognosticate with - at best - caution.
Except the folks whose soul mission - with no other motives - is to get us through to the other side.
I hunt solo. If my family is healthy and I’m allowed to drive to my units, I’m gonna be hunting. I can pack road food as easily as camp food. Don’t have to touch anyone or anything.
VikingsGuy
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I agree. One additional hope is that one of the two or three "theraputics" (hydroxyquinoline for example) pans out quickly and gets death rates down closer to normal flu and then the 80+% not at risk can go back to normal economy knowing the at risk will be reasonably safe.
BigHornRam
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Interesting read I found while looking for the world maps that highlighted the coincidence of lower covid-19 cases and the use of malaria drug.
www.wired.com
My wife works on the same infectious disease as the French Dr. Raoult and said he an odd duck and skeptical of anything he puts out. Hope we dont fall for a lot of snake oil in a hurry to find solutions.
Chloroquine May Fight Covid-19—and Silicon Valley’s Into It
The old malaria drug is getting used against the coronavirus. Tech enthusiasts are abuzz. One missing step: clinical trials.
I agree but wonder to what degree. Will that mean folks trying to stay more than six feet apart, coughing into their elbow and better hygiene practices? Or shutting down all schools and most businesses like we have now? Guessing like most things it will be somewhere in the middle. Because if we continue down this current road for long, it will be very hard to pull out of this economically. As much as we are about saving every life, we as a country could lose more lives and compound the problem with a long term economic collapse.
VikingsGuy
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Plus, the survivors will be stuck paying back debt that went to "payroll" and not to business growth so future growth and jobs will be suppressed for years to come. I am not seeing loans for the little guys helping anything.
Sure. That’s why I found the article on Japan to be so intriguing. Either they are lying like hell about numbers, or a strict test and quarantine protocol, coupled with good hygiene can be remarkably effective.
I think about anyone here would agree the current actions are sustainable only for a short while.
VikingsGuy
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Viable treatment (like hydroxyquinoline if it proves useful) will get us back to "normal" faster than a vaccine. I am hoping for both, but the "treatment" will be much more valuable to near term economics.
Bigjay73
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I see, hope, that it plays out just like that. Warn weather comes, hopefully early, and hibernate the virus. Vaccines are produced quickly, and on the market by late September, ridding the world of coronavirus. this is best case scenario, but I'm hopeful.
Just to clarify, that was an excerpt from the WSJ article.
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