COVID-19 Links, facts and discussion. Politics and hyperbole welcome.

[Nameless Range]

Special Report: How Korea trounced U.S. in race to test people for coronavirus — Reuters

SEOUL - In late January, South Korean health officials summoned representatives from more than 20 medical companies from their lunar New Year celebrations to a conference room tucked inside Seoul’s busy train station.

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I think the failure of the US to provide fast and widespread testing will be looked back as a catalyst for thousands of tragedies. I'm aware that it is far more difficult to do for 340 million people what South Korea did for 50 million, but the whole "Test, Trace, and Treat" model seems to be saving lives in other places.

 

[JLS]

I think the failure of the US to provide fast and widespread testing will be looked back as a catalyst for thousands of tragedies. I'm aware that it is far more difficult to do for 340 million people what South Korea did for 50 million, but the whole "Test, Trace, and Treat" model seems to be saving lives in other places.

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I agree, this is the same method Japan is using to IIRC.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Just posting a link.

I knew that to be true, just adding context for some/others who get excited every time a "cure for cancer" is announced annually in the common media.

 

[Straight Arrow]

(the surgeons most certainly know what can and can't be delayed).

ImBillT, there's the discriminating factor which is the reality of the issue.

 

[VikingsGuy]

My wife has the same old job, and on Monday the same new job as yours.

Best wishes to your wife as well.

More broadly thanks to all Hunttalk members and their families who are medical professionals and first responders during this crisis. I understand these folks are taking person risk to keep the rest of us well. Thanks to all for their service!

 

[ImBillT]

ImBillT, there's the discriminating factor which is the reality of the issue.

I agree with that. But governors telling every hospital in the state that they can’t do a surgery that’s “elective”?

Are they following an insurance list of what’s elective and what’s not, a state list, or letting the doctors decide? If they let individual doctors decide what is elective and what is necessary, then I’m cool with that.

 

[JLS]

This is some loooong reading, but helps to frame things in context.

Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19)

Country-by-country data and research on the pandemic. Updated daily.

ourworldindata.org

 

[Oak]

Know how to sew? Providence Hospital in Washington is looking for volunteers to sew masks.

COVID-19 Resources

We provide different testing options for COVID-19 based on your symptoms and offer vaccines based on CDC guidelines.

www.providence.org

 

[hossblur]

First that is way more than a couple of thoughts.

You chastise amateur virologists, while playing amateur economist. You pulled the unemployment rate out of your backside without any expertise.

Your soap box is not any more righteous than anyone else's.

By the way I'm nearly 69. How that means I do not care for the plight facing everyone is ludicrous. Most old farts have grown kids and a few grandkids. Most of us want a good world for them.

More than half of American jobs are at risk because of coronavirus

It's not just jobs in travel and tourism at risk from the coronavirus crisis. It's thousands of small businesses, and their employees pay, that are at risk. And that's a blow that could take years for the economy to recover from.

www.cnn.com

I can play too I guess

 

[VikingsGuy]

More than half of American jobs are at risk because of coronavirus

It's not just jobs in travel and tourism at risk from the coronavirus crisis. It's thousands of small businesses, and their employees pay, that are at risk. And that's a blow that could take years for the economy to recover from.

www.cnn.com

I can play too I guess

Now, was that so hard, posting a link for folks to consider rather than a bullet point rant?

 

[ImBillT]

I don’t agree with very much of what most of the skeptical people in here have been saying, and I don’t want to be lumped in with them. We can’t trust Chinese numbers, Italy looks like a good worst case scenario, but 475 is just a number without context. I said in a lot of my posts that I was highly concerned early on. In the early weeks, every time I saw an article about why the flu was worse, I kept thinking people were burying their heads. But again, looking at Italy, I couldn’t figure out what 475 really meant. Some ways I looked at it, it was bad, other ways, possible nothing unusual. Finally I found some numbers that are reliable enough and related enough to give me some reference, and frankly, it’s bad.

Italy has had days where they would have accounted for between 1/2 and 1/10 of the normal daily total of lower respiratory deaths depending on how you analyze it. All that while they’re taking dire measures to stop the spread. At 1/10, and with no efforts to stop it, it’s plausible that this is only a little worse than usual, but they are going to extreme effort to stop it.

I can no longer find a way to frame this in a light that isn’t disconcerting.

 

[ImBillT]

Now, was that so hard, posting a link for folks to consider rather than a bullet point rant?

But I like bullet point rants.

 

[JLS]

Now, was that so hard, posting a link for folks to consider rather than a bullet point rant?

Except it doesn’t predict a 50% unemployment rate. Mnuchin predicted up to 20%, which is still a hell of a lot.

 

[Oak]

Glenwood Springs, CO hospital assembly line to produce masks for staff.

 

[JLS]

More than half of American jobs are at risk because of coronavirus

It's not just jobs in travel and tourism at risk from the coronavirus crisis. It's thousands of small businesses, and their employees pay, that are at risk. And that's a blow that could take years for the economy to recover from.

www.cnn.com

I can play too I guess

Excerpt from the article for context.

Nearly 80 million jobs in the US economy are at high or moderate risk today, according to analysis in the last week from Moody's Analytics. That's more than half of the 153 million jobs in the economy overall.

That doesn't mean that all those jobs will be lost. But it's probable that as many as 10 million of those workers could see some impact to their paychecks -- either layoffs, furloughs, fewer hours or wage cuts, said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics.
Of those 80 million jobs, Moody's Analytics projects that 27 million are at high risk due to the virus, primarily in transportation and travel, leisure and hospitality, temporary help services and oil drilling and extraction. Maybe 20% of those workers, comprising about 5 million jobs, will be affected, Zandi said.
The other 52 million jobs are judged to face "moderate risk." They are in areas such as retail, manufacturing, construction and education. Some 5 million of those workers are could be unemployed or underemployed.

 

[BigHornRam]

Excerpt from the article for context.

For more context, I heard from my brother yesterday that he is being indefinitely laid off, and my sister's son's company just lost a big $30 million construction job that they were just about to start, and he is laying off all of his crew as we speak. Unemployment rate is going to explode this week.

 

[JLS]

For more context, I heard from my brother yesterday that he is being indefinitely laid off, and my sister's son's company just lost a big $30 million construction job that they were just about to start, and he is laying off all of his crew as we speak. Unemployment rate is going to explode this week.

Yes it will. Pray like hell this virus has a strong seasonal aspect to it.

 

[hossblur]

Opinion | Rethinking the Coronavirus Shutdown

No society can safeguard public health for long at the cost of its economic health.

www.wsj.com

 

[JLS]

Opinion | Rethinking the Coronavirus Shutdown

No society can safeguard public health for long at the cost of its economic health.

www.wsj.com

Good article. Don’t disagree with any of his points.

 

[LWC55]

Yes it will. Pray like hell this virus has a strong seasonal aspect to it.

I'm also hoping the warm weather really slows this thing down.

Will we open everything back up in June and then have to shut everything back down in November when cases start to bounce back up? Just wondering how folks see this playing out.