Straight Arrow
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Please ... solutions ... not blathering about your perspective of someone else's opinions or concerns. Not helpful!
Colorado Assault Weapons Ban Submitted
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Nick87
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Missed your solution...
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I mean we did ban them for a decade, and then we got them back...
I do get what you're saying, and I guess two thoughts...
1. Not entirely sure they would, maybe? it depends on how things play out. and it certainly would be more difficult after making a bipartisan agreement. I think the push back from gun owners stokes the fires for opposition, might be hard to build that momentum up again if "something" had been done.
2. If you never compromise you could also just lose and also not gain anything.
Maybe I'm cynical but I think in the next 10-15 year we will lose a lot more gun rights across the country kinda no matter what, would be nice to have some say in how that losing happens.
Totally understand if folks think they can win and just hold the line, I just think the writings on the wall.
Nick87
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Yah time will tell I guess.
Don't get me wrong I don't want to see anybody a victim of gun violence and If I thought these measures would help make my kids safer going to school everyday. I'd hand it over but we know that's not the case. We're gonna give that up and still have a mental health/ broken family/ societal problem. I'd sure like to see us focusing on that instead of wasting money and time on nonsense. Meanwhile waiting for the next school shooting to be in the headlines.
bayoublaster7527
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100%. Your proposal is reasonable but the anti gun activists aren’t reasonable. This is their livelihood, they are professional activists. They have to continue to find new gun control measures to propose until legal gun ownership no longer exists. I believe many of the Colo legislators proposing the ban on most semiautomatic firearms are receiving significant pressure and support from the well-heeled groups like Giffords and Bloomberg.
I liked Colorado a lot more as a purple state. Complete domination of state politics by a single party doesn’t generally benefit the citizens writ large.
Nick87
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One thing I'd like to see is the general public be a little more educated on facts about guns. That would probably be a BIG step in the right direction. Never going to happen though because that doesn't sell on MSM. Not to mention those on the extreme side of this don't want to hear it even if you laid it out for them.
Straight Arrow
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I'm not savvy enough to offer much to solve this huge conundrum, but do agree in large part with what wllm has offered:
"...something like a Universal gun license which is just a back ground check + finger prints + gun registration and then you get universal state reciprocity."
I also agree with the potential efficacy of reasonable, practical "red flag" laws.
Otherwise, I don't have a "solution".
However, I am really astute at recognizing opinionated ideological blathering which deepens the divisive quagmire. It's everywhere!
Nick87
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DouglasR
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Isn’t that called “discussion”?
Debate?
Like I share my ideas and you share yours and try to understand each other and meet in the middle.
My opinionated blathering is that these rules will do nothing but discourage people who are on the fence about gun ownership and lead to a gradual decline in hunters and gun owners.
It’s absolutely insane to me that someone would say they’re trying to hassle everyday gun owners with ANOTHER license in an attempt to hold back further rules and regulations.
And it’s just so gross to say you know it won’t do anything, but you’re just trying to make “the other side” feel good.
So you’re going to burden every single legal gun owner for no reason?
DouglasR
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You smart guys are making too many
Can we just give gay marriage and abortion already?!!
How much time will that buy us?
@Straight ArrowSolutions definitely should be, but here is the issue that's tough. Probably 5 in 20 Million ARs are used in a crime each year.
But if you say meh, that's infinitesimal let's not worry about it, which is more or less be NR et als. response, you are in fact saying to someone who lost someone in one of those incidents "too bad, you're an outlier sucks to roll snake eyes"
Which is what Jim was saying on page 1.
Countries with zero ARs have zero ARs deaths, which is logical, people see that and they say why can't we do that... I math'd that out on one of these threads, it's really really hard.
Therefore I think you either say "too bad" which pisses of folks and gets you straight up bans, or you try what I'm theorized about which is putting forward your own plan, that while also won't solve the problem is a good faith gesture and gets you some things you want.
Which is how I arrived at something like a Universal gun license which is just a back ground check + finger prints + gun registration and then you get universal state reciprocity, internet sales direct to door with some sort of 2 factor identification, private sales by using an app instead of an FFL, and fully legal suppressors.
Essentially take on some red tape at the beginning to then eliminate it for the rest of your life.
Not saying that's exactly how it should work, but more the kind of thinking I wish folks would do... one might call it "bending over to liberals" another might call it pragmatically getting what they want.
Can we just give gay marriage and abortion already?!!
How much time will that buy us?
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It's not a proposal to be clear. He has a very reasonable stance but it's not a proposal.
No different than the NRA which at this point only exists to create controversy in order to drum up money.
These orgs though are separate from your average Joe voter.
Totally agree. Which includes talking about what the current laws are, how those are flaunted by criminals, and what steps can be done to help law enforcement.
It also includes being very vocal about how ridiculous Alex Jones is, that crap undermines everything.
We gun owners talk a lot about enforcing gun laws and supporting LEOs but I can't for the life of me come up with a good reason why we can't have digital gun records. In 2023 that's just stupid.
Maybe start there fully digital system.
Nick87
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I'll have to google
I guess I'm here too. How does giving in on more "useless" (to criminals) gun laws prevent more useless gunlaws?
I see at as akin to feeding my dog from the table today in hopes of him not coming back tomorrow to beg for food. I mean I could try it "to do something" but I'm about 99.99% sure it will have the opposite effect.
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Buffs35
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I'm for anything that will curb point creep.
Nick87
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It doesn’t make any sense to me to pass laws that do nothing but make people feel good. The places in this country that have the most restrictive gun laws have some of the highest gun violence.
Passing feel good legislation is akin to them irrigating with a sports drink on IDIOCRACY
We’re basically already there though so I say have at it. Let them make whatever laws they want. We’re about s generation away from living under totalitarian rule or plunging back to the Stone Age. I’m hoping the stone age is sooner, it’s the way I wanna live anyway.
Passing feel good legislation is akin to them irrigating with a sports drink on IDIOCRACY
We’re basically already there though so I say have at it. Let them make whatever laws they want. We’re about s generation away from living under totalitarian rule or plunging back to the Stone Age. I’m hoping the stone age is sooner, it’s the way I wanna live anyway.
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Then assuming your referencing Chicago
There is no control group, there is no way to know if the homicide rate wouldn't be 5x as bad with less stringent rules. Could be the same, but there is no data to support that idea.
There are lots of data points in the strict laws/ low violence/ big city column, but there aren't really any big cities with very permissive laws with low murder rates.
Basically, there are just too many other variables to say one way or the other.
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I think that is a huge piece of the issue actually.
But everyone hates my marketing soap box speech.
