Hilljackoutlaw
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It mostly depends how well everyone can hide the increase from their wives.
App fee increase bill
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I do think it will effect number of applications mainly for purpose of random. I always tell people who are not trying to draw yet for various reasons just apply for a homerun unit your will never draw with points. The lottery odds with a $15 vs $75ea app may not be worth it to them to apply. See if it passes, but it does include resident increases so there will be push back. I also think that G&F budget /spending may need to be getting looked at.
elkantlers
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I think you will see more people only buying points and only applying when they feel they have enough points to draw.
I apply myself and a couple other family members every year for pronghorn even though we don't have enough points to draw in the high point group. At $75 each for < 1% chance, I'm out until I have enough points to draw the unit I want. I may be the only one, but I bet there are others.
I also think you will see some people trying to use their points on lesser units so they can get out of the game all together. It will probably increase point creep on the low to mid-tier units.
Buzz, are you saying that it would be $75 total if a guy applied for multiple licenses at once?
I understand it as a max of 75 per tag application but the wording makes me wonder now.
“…applications for all personal applications made at the same time.“
Is it the “at the same time” wording that makes you think that? Right now it’s a per license application fee. So for Deer, elk, and antelope I pay the fee for each species. You suggesting that if I applied for all at once I’d only pay one app fee?
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LCH
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I guess technically you’re right.
A better way to put it is it’s roughly $150 to apply and build points in Colorado.
My point was that it’s not a true equivalency, since you still are paying up to a few hundred $$ in Wyoming for preference points later in the summer, depending on the species.
Most people will still pay it.
yeah the PPs certainly change the equation a little.
but at least from the pure perspective of "cost to enter" it's 150.
at least in wyoming your cost to get through the door, whatever that ends up being, comes with random chances. luckily colorado will soon have more of that too.
i'll certainly still pay it. hunting in wyoming is too much fun.
Yep, me too. Like I said, you gotta pay to play. But damn, it gets more painful every year.
Archer86
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75 bucks won't do anything to applications that's cheaper then a night out to dinner with the family
WyoCoalMiner
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Wonder how many people would pay $75 for a 5% chance at getting a meal.
5yearcoueshunter
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$75 for Antelope
$75 for Deer
$75 for Elk
That's not including Moose or Sheep or CC processing fee or PP fee if you want to build points for those species. That's a pretty expensive dinner that's not even guaranteed. lol
Me personally, it's not going to change my behavior much because I usually don't apply until I think I have enough points to draw. Just depends on other hunts I've got going already in NM or other states that year if I take a chance at the WY random.
Tag increase should be a non issue for all the millionaires we have here.
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What age to be a millionaire?
Not meant to be a measuring contest so I hope people don't give identifying information, but I'm sure there are folks of all financial means here and I just wonder what age people hit the "millionaire" mark, and how that differs from what we see in the media.
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seeth07
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A single app going up in a year $50-$100 you are correct shouldn't do anything. But in this example it is multiple apps at once not counting what other states are doing. The total price to land even just mid tier quality units across the west keeps going up and it has gone out of control over the last 3-4 years.
For example, here were my applications from last year. $3501.96 between my wife and I to land a good NM bull elk hunt and a cow tag in WY which were both random draw hits. This number is also extremely low because we already had a qualifying license to apply for Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Utah and Kansas from either applying or hunting the year prior or at application time. Had it not been for those qualifying licenses, the application total cost would have approached $4500 for us. The one decent hunt (just one of us) with points that we thought we would get ended up not happening due to a crazy point jump for that hunt code.
Back in 2022, we did not have any qualifying licenses that year applying for anything and had to buy them all at the time of applying. Our cost was $3227.49. So just in 2 years alone, the total all in net cost to apply (we had almost the exact same applications for this comparison) has gone up over $1000. There are more fee increases in the near future and with the chances of landing even just mid tier type of hunts like we target, the cost is borderline hard to justify. Thus far, every single year we have been able to at least secure 1 tag and usually 2 and at the cost of $3k-3.5k we have always considered that extremely good use of our money. At 5k, we are having discussions about whether or not that actually makes sense anymore especially because we feel that at some point here in the near future it may be possible that we go a year without drawing a single tag.
I know this will open up a can of worms but last year after my elk hunt in NM, we found a landowner tag for the late archery season in the same unit (we went first archery) for $5500 and that has really opened up our eyes to just how crazy the applications have gotten.
Pucky Freak
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If 40k hunters apply for an average of two tags in a year, that’s $120 x 40k = 4.8M paid directly to ranchers for damage compensation. Nevermind that ranchers can already turn a profit from outfitting.
I’m CO, at least the qualifying license cost goes back to the resource.
I’m CO, at least the qualifying license cost goes back to the resource.
seeth07
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Here is another crazy stupid eye opening number.
In 2024 we fronted a whooping $24,997.71 for applications. We didn't apply for a single goat or sheep tag but we did apply for moose in Wyoming for both of us, Idaho for one of us with those floating tag costs. That was $8429.16 of it.
In 2024 we fronted a whooping $24,997.71 for applications. We didn't apply for a single goat or sheep tag but we did apply for moose in Wyoming for both of us, Idaho for one of us with those floating tag costs. That was $8429.16 of it.
ismith
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Mah eggs!Damn inflation!
BuzzH
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In testimony at the interim TRW, where I opposed the fee increase for NR's, the bill was changed to PER APPLICATION. Meaning for $75 you can apply for deer, elk, pronghorn, moose, sheep, goat, bison, etc. and pay the one time $75 fee.
The trouble I see, and I haven't checked, is whether all the applications are open at the same time, if they are, you can do them all at once and pay the $75 and rock on. There was robust discussion and the intent when it was amended was per application, with no regard to how many species you applied for.
If, and that's a big IF this passes with what they wanted, I would apply for everything at once then modify or withdraw your application as necessary.
BuzzH
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But, would you pay another $25 for the tag?
That was my point to the TRW, raise the price of doe tags by $25-$30 and leave the application fees alone.
