Would you still hunt with....

[Blue Yummies]

Well pipe up what you drink, what kind of eskimo beer do you drink?

 

[shoots-straight]

Cowboymama, to lump even a small percentage of slob hunters in with the majority of responsible hunters is as misleading and unfair as lumping all ranchers in the welfare line holding your hands out. How many acres do you lease from the gov. so you can run your cattle, eating all the grass and leaving your own lands rich in feed so the wildlife have to live there during the hunting season because of poor range conditions on our public lands? How many of those acres do you spray paint orange to keep the general public off. One could make a case that some ranchers are just as lousy a neighbor as a slob hunter.

If your looking for help to get linked up with an outfitter, to lease your lands, your looking on the wrong forum.

I would really hope that you would consider yourself a real conservationist and look at the wildlife that lives on your lands as a real fortunate blessing. Rather than one that makes you look for what you can make off it. That is the real problem I see with rancher sportsman relations. We as sportsman and woman have helped create all kinds of programs that will in fact give you compensation with a bit of public access. I feel you'd find most sportsman are good people and you might even feel a bit of gratification. The wildlife are a public resource, owned by the people of each state. Hunters vote and do outnumber ranchers. We haven't lobbied as hard in the past as the Livestock Industry but times they are a changing. So I believe it's better for both sides to come together on some of these issues.

I have family at Saco that run a ranch operation, Buck (really his name) always rides a horse. The kids use 4 wheelers.

Blue, I'm a Coors Regular man. I use to shake my head when my dad would order a Oly (Olympia brewing Co.) That stuff was nasty, to me but it's what he liked.

 

[Blue Yummies]

Hey mama Have you been on block management? I heard that is a great way to kill all of the animals on your place and the years following you wont even half to worry about hunting.
Secondly are you married cause I would be happy to "Help" with your dilemma.
I am sure that outfitters at least look on this site, I mean you guys are the ones that we can all learn from and take away a pile of great hunting tips, I mean I have learned how to properly poach and fight it in court.
I like two types of beer
warm and cold

 

[Nemont]

Wow!

I am a rancher. I own the land. I am a college graduate. I do the work on my ranch and it really pisses me off when some whiney big shot that has probably never worked a day in his life on a real ranch, claims that he is an Eastern Montana rancher, much less that he owns the thing, just because "honey" inherited it. (NEMONT) To set the record straight, real ranchers in Eastern Montana don't ranch by using 4-Wheelers, they do their work horseback. Quit giving these poor hunting freaks the wrong idea about how a real ranch works beings you don't know any better.

#2 I "sh** full" of people like Blue Yummies (A.A. candidate, by the way) from Bozeman or Kalispell thinking that they can come to Eastern Montana and hunt wherever they please. I have had many instances where I caught trespassers and asked if they had permission from the landowner to be hunting and they said "yes" we asked and they gave us permission, only to inform them that I was the landowner and had never been asked. You jerks have left gates open for cattle to get mixed, ran game through fences with your stupid-assed hunting techniques(ie 4-wheelers, dodge pickups and etc), made ruts so deep that the grass no longer grows because you are too stupid to stay on roadways. If you think I am going to let you on my land to hunt you are dead wrong! FUNNY THING, NEMONT! I spray paint all of my posts at every cattleguard gate and crossfence. It means nothing. If you think it works, maybe I'll come spray paint your yard fence in Glasgow so blue yummies won't inadvertantly wander onto your property when he is hunting out there this year.

I give two shits what your opinion is of me. I was born and raised on a ranch in Phillips County. I have spent enough time horse back to and continue to help out on both my families ranch and my inlaws place. The inlaws place has been honored as one of the Centennial Ranches, the ones that have been operated by the same family for 100 years. You don't know me nor do you know a thing about me. So take your opinion and shove it up your ass.

If you put your degree to use and start reading as well as comprehending then we can debate things until then just continue to think what you wish.

I never said spray painting stops tresspassing, I said it doesn't take much effort to spray paint your gates and braces in order to mark your private deeded land. People tresspass whether it is marked or not but at least, as a landowner, you know you marked and when you call the sheriff the, "I got lost" excuse is hard to use.

Any real rancher knows that 4 Wheelers, just like horses, are a tool to help around the ranch. You don't have to feed it every day and they can be used for so more things then a horse can. Go to any working cattle ranch in Eastern Montana. On 95% of them you will see at least one 4 wheeler in the yard or loaded in the back of a pickup.

If you can't find a good honest outfitter in Eastern Montana then apparently you are such a big Dickhead around your neighbors that they won't tell you who they lease to. I know the name of a great guy who pays top dollar, is a working rancher himself and is internationally known for the hunts he outfits. I doubt I would refer him to a loud mouth who gets on an internet forum and immediately starts acting like a dick on his first post.

Now you better go because I am sure you have some coffee to drink while you sit around with your fellow "ranchers" bitching about how hard you have to work.

Nemont

 

[guppie9]

Well pipe up what you drink, what kind of eskimo beer do you drink?

Alaskan Amber....brewed in Juneau. Best beer I've ever tasted. Although I gotta give those guys down in Colorado props, I tried some Fat Tire Ale and it was pretty damn good, too.

 

[shoots-straight]

Nemont,

Go ahead say what you really mean Don't hold anything back.

 

[Big Shooter]

Cowboymama, to lump even a small percentage of slob hunters in with the majority of responsible hunters is as misleading and unfair as lumping all ranchers in the welfare line holding your hands out. How many acres do you lease from the gov. so you can run your cattle, eating all the grass and leaving your own lands rich in feed so the wildlife have to live there during the hunting season because of poor range conditions on our public lands? How many of those acres do you spray paint orange to keep the general public off. One could make a case that some ranchers are just as lousy a neighbor as a slob hunter.

If your looking for help to get linked up with an outfitter, to lease your lands, your looking on the wrong forum.

I would really hope that you would consider yourself a real conservationist and look at the wildlife that lives on your lands as a real fortunate blessing. Rather than one that makes you look for what you can make off it. That is the real problem I see with rancher sportsman relations. We as sportsman and woman have helped create all kinds of programs that will in fact give you compensation with a bit of public access. I feel you'd find most sportsman are good people and you might even feel a bit of gratification. The wildlife are a public resource, owned by the people of each state. Hunters vote and do outnumber ranchers. We haven't lobbied as hard in the past as the Livestock Industry but times they are a changing. So I believe it's better for both sides to come together on some of these issues.

I have family at Saco that run a ranch operation, Buck (really his name) always rides a horse. The kids use 4 wheelers.

Blue, I'm a Coors Regular man. I use to shake my head when my dad would order a Oly (Olympia brewing Co.) That stuff was nasty, to me but it's what he liked.

Dear "Shoots Straight" (which I doubt)
I don't take welfare from anyone. If you are looking for help in the welfare department YOUR looking on the wrong forum. I am sure our wonderful new President Hussain Obama can help you with that. He may even feel obligated, since you probably voted for him.

Nice try, but I don't lease any acres from the government to run my cattle. That is just another excuse you city folk dream up to convince yourself that you have the right to hunt on my PRIVATE LAND. As far as the spray painting orange theory goes, I think I explained that in my first post. You guys all preach it, but very few abide by it. Bummer that most hunters get a black eye from all of the "slob hunters" out there, but this post is a prime example of why that happens. All of the people that said they would hunt with someone who has violated hunting laws are a prime example of that.

I figured that beings this was a hunting forum that Outfitters would be a topic of conversation and that I could find out some information on this. Are you the "supreme ruler" of hunt talk, or are there really some outfitters out there that might be reading this?

Funny thing, though. I am a conservationist. I have put in pipelines and drilled wells and left them running on during the drought years for the "public's" wildlife to drink out of. Have you heard of the CRP program? (No, it is not anything to do with recessitating Blue Yummies after one of his nights of posting) CRP stands for Conservation Reserve Program, does that count for anything in your eyes? I love the wildlife and in fact have never in my entire life shot one of the deer or antelope on my ranch for the meat, or for sport. I have however had to shoot several that some "straight shooter" wounded and left to die, and some that have been hit on the road by some jerk driving too fast, and left to die... see I do appreciate them and I spend a lot of time taking care of them. I have even bedded a sick one down in the haystack and hauled water to it to keep it alive, hand-fed a deer, which became a pet every morning for two winters with my bulls. Don't tell me the animals are not a blessing to me. How many have you cared for?

The interesting thing about the block management and other programs that compensate landowners is that people take advantage of it. I am not in block management, but I sure seem to have a lot of block management hunters, because a lot of my neighbors are in block management and so many hunters are swarming all over their ground that they have pushed the game onto my land and the "law abiding hunters" are following the game. They don't give a shit about whether they are on my land or the block management. I have had more than one hunter tell me when I stop them that they are hunting block management, but there isn't any deer and there are too many people hunting. Where is the MANAGEMENT in that, may I ask?

As far as lobbying for the livestock industry vs lobbying for hunting... The next time you bite into a juicy steak, hamburger (not from McDonalds) I hope you think of me. If you live on wild game alone, more power to you, but if you are eating beef that I have raised or eaten bread that my wheat has made, then you better think about your lobbying priorities and hope that you don't piss anymore "ranchers" like myself, off! Thanks for responding. I was curious as to why my post took 8 hours to get on this forum. I am starting to understand the process now!

 

[Big Shooter]

Hey mama Have you been on block management? I heard that is a great way to kill all of the animals on your place and the years following you wont even half to worry about hunting.
Secondly are you married cause I would be happy to "Help" with your dilemma.
I am sure that outfitters at least look on this site, I mean you guys are the ones that we can all learn from and take away a pile of great hunting tips, I mean I have learned how to properly poach and fight it in court.
I like two types of beer
warm and cold

Hey Blue Yummies! I find it interesting that the people on this post refer to you as an "idiot", but NE-MOUNT himself doesn't even realize that I am a female! Hee Hee, (unless your "married" comment meant you were into guys) I am not sure I could handle your drinking problem... unless you could stay up all night drinking and posting and check my heifers for me...

I didn't realize these people were anti-outfitter, but yes, I do feel that if I want to find out all of the illegal stuff these hunters will pull, this is the place to be. I am not a beer drinker, but I could drink you under the table with a little BV.

 

[Nemont]

Hey Blue Yummies! I find it interesting that the people on this post refer to you as an "idiot", but NE-MOUNT himself doesn't even realize that I am a female! Hee Hee,
.

Hey BS,

Nor do I care if you are female, Stupid is as stupid does, it doesn't matter what gender you are.


Nemont

 

[FLIPPER]

Nemont must be off his meds again...


All I'm missing is some popcorn...this is better than watching Jose get hosed.

 

[A-con]

The short answer is yes.
He’s already paid his debt to society, so as long as he’s not a serial offender I would be OK hunting with him.
It really is a case by case decision.
All I really know is what I’ve read on the web, and the posted news clipping. Both notoriously bad sources of information.

 

[Big Shooter]

Well, I guess that you have all met my wife.......she truly is a wonderful soul, but highly opinionated and she takes more of the direct approach than I do. Word to the wise......do not leave your computer unattended while you are out checking the heifers.........when you come back in you are suddenly a female and in a fight with some guy named Ne-Mount!

She could take it no longer, peering over my shoulder, watching me debate with everyone over a subject that she is very passionate about as well as educated in.....the landowner vs. sportsman battle. Unannounced to me she went ahead and got her own username and password and has put her two cents worth in, unfortunately for me, her latest opinions were under my alias (I am not a female in case you were wondering)!

But.....while I am sitting at my computer and she is checking the heifers, I will say that she couldn't have stated those comments any better to both NeMont and Shoots-straight. The only difference is is that I won't put all of you in the same category as the slob hunters that we have to run off all of the time because the hunting is better here than in the surrounding area. It just goes back to what we have always said, that a few bad sportsman gives us all a bad name, ranchers alike. Now on the subject of the publicly owned game animals and a landowner charging to hunt.........we feed them, we let them eat our hay out of our stacks, we spray the weeds that the spread as well as fix the fence that they wreck, and don't complain about it, so if a landowner can be compensated for this somewhat than that is his (or hers) opportunity. All of the sudden the resident hunters in this state feel that they should be able to go where they want and when they want, private land or gaining access to public through pivate, and they might be dissapointed, and should be.

Ne-Mount....Shoots-straight, I wish you all of the luck in the world in this debate with cowboymama.......but you better pull your hat down and grit your teeth as she is not stupid nor will she tolerate people that use 4-wheelers. Blue Yummies........sorry but at this point she is not available.......try back later.

 

[FLIPPER]

The short answer is yes.
He’s already paid his debt to society, so as long as he’s not a cereal offender I would be OK hunting with him.
It really is a case by case decision.
All I really know is what I’ve read on the web, and the posted news clipping. Both notoriously bad sources of information.

Captain Crunch...BooBerry...Frosted Mini Wheats...which one?

 

[Blue Yummies]

Damn, for a second I thought we might have two women on this site. I thought we could talk hunting and get a date on the same site, oh well should have known my luck is not that good. But I will say I dont think she likes hunters, is there a site for that so we could send her to that?

 

[Ridge Runner]

Flipper.. Maybe you can help the police out down there as they found a body in a ditch covered with milk and banana's... They think they have a "cereal" killer.

 

[FLIPPER]

Damn, for a second I thought we might have two women on this site. I thought we could talk hunting and get a date on the same site, oh well should have known my luck is not that good. But I will say I dont think she likes hunters, is there a site for that so we could send her to that?

We have a private forum here just for women...called the girls locker room...all she has to do is ask to join.

 

[Nemont]

Well BS,

She should stop and read before spouting things that were not said, lying about people she does not know and implying things that are not true. She doesn't know me anymore then you do.

You will not find a person more committed to private property rights then me. If you or her care to debate that then fine let's debate. If the debate is going to accuse me of lying then both her and you can do exactly as I stated: shove up both your asses.

I support ranchers and have seen both the best and worst public land grazing. I have a fairly strong belief that the public deserves access to public land and the public has an equal, not superior but equal, property right to public lands as a private landowner has to private lands.


I don't know where the debate on 4 wheelers comes from but if you are a rancher and not using all the most efficient tools available to you then you are not a very good businessman. I don't want 4 wheelers tearing up the country nor have I ever advocated such a thing, again learn to read before implying something that was not said and is not true.

So if she wants to debate then bring on the debate and leave all the accusations out of it because that is not debating it is bullshit. If she or you care to continue to bash me then be prepared to be called out on it.

Nemont

 

[FLIPPER]

Well now that all of that has been squared up...

 

[Calif. Hunter]

We have a private forum here just for women...called the girls locker room...all she has to do is ask to join.

Is that still here? Does anyone ever post there?

 

[FLIPPER]

Is that still here? Does anyone ever post there?

I guess...its private...we can't see it?