Would you still hunt with....

[A-con]

Captain Crunch...BooBerry...Frosted Mini Wheats...which one?

Captian Crunch

I’m claiming sleep depravation, (cereal/serial) I’ll edit

 

[shoots-straight]

Ne-Mount....Shoots-straight, I wish you all of the luck in the world in this debate with cowboymama.......but you better pull your hat down and grit your teeth as she is not stupid nor will she tolerate people that use 4-wheelers. Blue Yummies........sorry but at this point she is not available.......try back later.

Alrighty then, she's so intelligent that her comprehension skills suck. I said:

Cowboymama, to lump even a small percentage of slob hunters in with the majority of responsible hunters is as misleading and unfair as lumping all ranchers in the welfare line holding your hands out. How many acres do you lease from the gov. so you can run your cattle, eating all the grass and leaving your own lands rich in feed so the wildlife have to live there during the hunting season because of poor range conditions on our public lands? How many of those acres do you spray paint orange to keep the general public off. One could make a case that some ranchers are just as lousy a neighbor as a slob hunter.

Really slow now, I'm going to use a crayon so she can understand what I said. There's as many moron hunters as there are welfare Ranchers. Too say all hunters are disrespectful trespassers is as bad as calling all Ranchers Welfare Ranchers. I didn't call her one. Weren't these animals on this land before you or your ancestors came and started Ranching. You don't think they have a right to live on your lands without you being compensated for it. I'll ask you a broad question. The air on your ranch comes from my land from time to time. You should have to pay me a fee for using my air. This is the thinking I'm getting from a lot of Ranchers from over there. The air was here before me, we all own it, just because it uses my place doesn't mean I should benefit from it monetarily. I benefit from it by living and breathing it. It keeps me alive. You benefit from wildlife too. Your lands are worth more with wildlife than they are without. Your lives are richer by having them around. If you lease your lands to an outfitter, you'll make money off the wildlife. As long as you get no more special treatment than me I don't care what you do. (AS LONG AS IT DOENS'T TAKE MY RIGHTS AWAY).



If you don't want to feed or take care of the public wildlife then I see only a couple of options for you. 1).Turn this over to the state to manage. Block management. They'll leave after that. 2).If that's a problem fence your lands with a game proof fence and keep our wildlife off of your property. I will work my arse off to make sure you get no welfare check off my public wildlife.

Oh I support CRP but isn't receiving money from the government for not working welfare?

I could care less what a man or manwoman does with their lands, so long as it doesn't tread on my rights. Kind of how our country was founded. Huh!
Don't tell me that you should have the right to make money off of the public's resource. Lease your lands, I couldn't care, but received no extra tags for hunting our animals. I 'll work to make sure you and your outfitters have no more tags available to our wildlife than I or anybody else does.

BTW, you could always sell out, move to beach somewhere. I've found that actually in subdivisions over here we end up with more game animals around because there no Ranchers bitching to kill them off then.

I eat beef maybe 2 or three times a year, actually prefer Elk to Beef. Sorry to burst your pimple.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Get the waders - I smell some serious BS.

 

[Blue Yummies]

Who wouldn't want elk instead of beef.
Be nice to cowboy mama she might have a sister for me.
Can a rancher get money for having wildlife??

 

[The Hedgehog]

I don't believe BS/CowMama needs an outfitter recommendation.

Most size-worthy ranching operations in eastern MT have fleets of ATVs.

 

[Blue Yummies]

Doesn't your family ranch greenie? What do you guys do over there. What does your family ranch do with its hunting?

 

[The Hedgehog]

Ranch/CRP, used to farm and lease farm ground on the res. It's small but there's game. They let everybody hunt who asks, and have most in block mgt.

BS/Cowmama: Are you an outfitter? Do you lease to an outfitter? How are you tied to the Eastman's Way? How often do you whistle the tune of High, Wild, and Free? How many acres/cows do you have?

 

[WHT_MTNMAN]

I understand the illegal/legal issue but the concept is the same. Tell me.. I bet you have ridden in a truck with someone that at one time or another has operated a vehicle intoxicated, whether they got caught or not. My point is that if they are not currently doing an illegal activity I can look past(not condone) past mistakes. I don't know moosie or jeff and I really don't care, but to me I don't make my character judgements wholly on the past.

WHT_MTNMAN, drinkings not illegal, but poaching is. Your analogy is off base by a tad. Drinkers don't give the rest of you, that don't drink a bad eye by drinking. Poachers on the other hand give all hunters a black eye. The 80% of the populace that don't hunt perceive us as poachers when they see people do this sort of thing, therefor they dislike hunting and vote as such. You can be a good guy when sober, and an asshole drunk. But a poacher is a poacher no matter what. He can't blame it on delusional circumstances caused by brain altering drugs.

If a Blue Yummie isn't Viagra, are you going to let us in on your little secrete?

 

[Big Shooter]

Shoots-Straight.....First of all yes, she was wrong for lumping all hunters, good or bad into one category as they are not all that way and I am sincerely giving the majority of you on this site (I can't use percentages because Greenhorn will do the math and come up with a number with a decimal point in it again) the benefit of the doubt, honestly. Second of all we don't mind having the game animals on our land either as we actually enjoy them, but if you think that we should just kick the gates open for everyone to have at them then you need to put down your crack pipe. Third, we have no CRP, no welfare here. And as far as the welfare off of a public resource goes, I really don't think that it is out of line to get compensated for the use of my property, notice that I didn't say my game animals, I said my property. There is a difference between the two. FYI, I like elk once in a while myself and you didn't burst my pimple.

NeMont....nobody is shoving anything up anyones ass here, let's keep the gloves on. You seem somewhat fair and balanced when it comes to the public lands vs. private lands issue and that is fine,so am I, but that doesn't mean that I should have to let someone travel across my private property to get there. Again, the word "private" comes into play. As far as the 4 wheeler thing goes, I think that you and that "Rajun Cajun" Blue Yummies started that whole thing, but for the record we run a place that is about as big as what you said yours is and we don't own a single 4 wheeler, but we do have a pasture full of some mighty fine ranch horses, and must still be pretty fair businessmen or we would be living next door to Shoots-straight in some suburb somewhere. The "bashing" thing is between you and her, leave me out of it. I can get along well with others.

Greenhorn....If you are smelling BS I don't know what to tell you. That is exactly what happened as far as her getting her own username and password. I am not BSing you at all. Check your boots, you might have some on the bottoms of them.

Blue Yummies......sorry to dissappoint you that there is only one woman in the mix. She does have a sister that you might like though.

 

[Big Shooter]

Greenhorn, the answers to your multiple questions are:

No, I am not an outfitter.

No, we do not lease to an outfitter.

I'm not.

I whistle a little Motor-Head with some George Jones thrown in once in a while. Got to love the tune "Death by a Tire Iron" form Anthrax and "That Just About Does It, Don't It" by Vern Gosden. But never the High, Wild and Free song.

Acres and cows? Quite a few but I can't tell you due to tax purposes!hump

 

[The Hedgehog]

Funny thing, though. I am a conservationist. I have put in pipelines and drilled wells and left them running on during the drought years for the "public's" wildlife to drink out of. Have you heard of the CRP program? CRP stands for Conservation Reserve Program, does that count for anything in your eyes?

Third, we have no CRP, no welfare here. Greenhorn....If you are smelling BS I don't know what to tell you.

CRP is welfare, but upland game birds and whitetail deer have seemed to adapt well to it, without the requirement of leasing and outfitting.

What makes you think anybody here expects you to let anyone hunt or cross your property?

In my opinion, you deserve the right to keep whoever you want off your place.. but I don't think any landowner or businessman deserves to be compensated with guarenteed licenses for clients.

 

[Nemont]

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NeMont....nobody is shoving anything up anyones ass here, let's keep the gloves on. You seem somewhat fair and balanced when it comes to the public lands vs. private lands issue and that is fine,so am I, but that doesn't mean that I should have to let someone travel across my private property to get there. Again, the word "private" comes into play. As far as the 4 wheeler thing goes, I think that you and that "Rajun Cajun" Blue Yummies started that whole thing, but for the record we run a place that is about as big as what you said yours is and we don't own a single 4 wheeler, but we do have a pasture full of some mighty fine ranch horses, and must still be pretty fair businessmen or we would be living next door to Shoots-straight in some suburb somewhere. The "bashing" thing is between you and her, leave me out of it. I can get along well with others..

That is fine. If you don't use a single 4 wheeler then you are the exception. Also I have never once in this thread said that you should allow anybody to cross, tresspass or in any way misuse or abuse private lands. All I said was that it doesn't take much effort to spray some orange paint on your gate posts and cross braces. Nothing more nothing less.

Then Cowboymama comes on here, first telling us that she just "stumbled" on this site while researching hunting issues in Montana, wanting to find an outfitter to lease to, telling me that I was "rich big shot" who never spent anytime on a ranch. Also she insuniated that I only am involved because my "Honey" inherited part of the place. That degree she is bragging about must have been purchased from Sally Struthers.

So if she wants the gloves to remain on then I suggest: either A) She refrains from posting during certain times of the month or B) deal with actual facts and issues rather then jumping to conclusions about people she doesn't know.

Nemont

 

[The Hedgehog]

blue yummies, more importantly, do you really rank Busch higher than old mil, coors, and bud? I'm bewildered. Do you fling empty cans in front of your favorite landowner's home or gatepost - a signature of sorts?

 

[Blue Yummies]

What makes you think anybody here expects you to let anyone hunt or cross your property?

You do greenhorn. You were all pissed off, because you thought that some rancher said he leased to eastmans kicking you off, and you were pissed.

No, I never said that I like busch. I am a budlight and bud heavy fan, pendelton I had enjoyed but it does something to my wiring making me do things that might be legal in 7 states.
My signature is trying to piss on your shoes without you knowing and putting hot sauce in my eyes so I can drive home, and your not drunk till you shit your pants (6)

But when I hunt I do like to have fun and drink beer at night and during the morning. It seems like you guys take hunting too serious, I mean most of my pics are me trying to dry hump a doe or rubbing honey all over me to see how close I can get a black bear with my knife.

I went huntin with a local here and he said that with antelope he puts the montana sneek on em, and muleys he waits till night and with elk he goes to turners. I thought it was funnier than shit. Thought that since greenhorn was a local that he might ellaborate and tell me the true trick to his huntin.

 

[FLIPPER]

Thought that since greenhorn was a local that he might ellaborate and tell me the true trick to his huntin.

This will be good! hehe

 

[cowboymama]

That is fine. If you don't use a single 4 wheeler then you are the exception. Also I have never once in this thread said that you should allow anybody to cross, tresspass or in any way misuse or abuse private lands. All I said was that it doesn't take much effort to spray some orange paint on your gate posts and cross braces. Nothing more nothing less.

Then Cowboymama comes on here, first telling us that she just "stumbled" on this site while researching hunting issues in Montana, wanting to find an outfitter to lease to, telling me that I was "rich big shot" who never spent anytime on a ranch. Also she insuniated that I only am involved because my "Honey" inherited part of the place. That degree she is bragging about must have been purchased from Sally Struthers.

So if she wants the gloves to remain on then I suggest: either A) She refrains from posting during certain times of the month or B) deal with actual facts and issues rather then jumping to conclusions about people she doesn't know.

Nemont

Dearest NEMONT: Sorry about striking whatever nerve that was...
I believe "whiney big shot" was what I referred to you as. I did not state anything about you being rich, you brought that up.

The following passage was posted by you to Blue Yummies.
"Father in law passed on, humpBrother in law runs the ranch, Mother in law still owns the ranch.hump Never have we charged anybody to hunt. Permission only requires you stop in at the ranch house, ask nicely and respect the land. I have never paid to hunt anywhere other then Canada. "

Not that I have to explain myself to you or anyone else on this post, including BS...but I did stumble on the site, was looking for Outfitters, because unlike some people in my house (BS) I am looking at anything that would help ease the burden of the constant stream of vehicles coming into my ranch asking to hunt, being turned down and then helping themselves. I have witnessed what block mgmt has done to the game on the neighboring ranches. During that time of year when we are busy shipping and doing Fall work, I don't have time to patrol the entire place, (more than one, by the way) to keep trespassers off my land. The land is not public. My response to your painting comment was simply that it is never enough! My apologies to all on this post, I did not realize after reading all of your posts that we were only allowed to post on here if we agreed with what you were saying.

I am dealing with facts and issues, but can't get a straight answer out of anyone on here about the questions that I raised. So I will ask again about the outfitter set up. Do they control your land if you lease to them? How much authority do you have as a landowner after they obtain the lease? What are typical leases? Do any of you know anyone that is reputable that has dealt with or leased to an outfitter? Simple enough. If I am wrong for asking these questions, so be it. I am sure that someone will let me know!

As far as your "posting during certain times of the month" comment goes, you can shove that right up your ass. I am entitled to my opinion and have a right to express it! Have a nice day and good luck with that nerve.

 

[FLIPPER]

Oscar...all of this is your fault for huntin with criminals...

 

[cowboymama]

Alrighty then, she's so intelligent that her comprehension skills suck. I said:

Really slow now, I'm going to use a crayon so she can understand what I said. There's as many moron hunters as there are welfare Ranchers. Too say all hunters are disrespectful trespassers is as bad as calling all Ranchers Welfare Ranchers. I didn't call her one. Weren't these animals on this land before you or your ancestors came and started Ranching. You don't think they have a right to live on your lands without you being compensated for it. I'll ask you a broad question. The air on your ranch comes from my land from time to time. You should have to pay me a fee for using my air. This is the thinking I'm getting from a lot of Ranchers from over there. The air was here before me, we all own it, just because it uses my place doesn't mean I should benefit from it monetarily. I benefit from it by living and breathing it. It keeps me alive. You benefit from wildlife too. Your lands are worth more with wildlife than they are without. Your lives are richer by having them around. If you lease your lands to an outfitter, you'll make money off the wildlife. As long as you get no more special treatment than me I don't care what you do. (AS LONG AS IT DOENS'T TAKE MY RIGHTS AWAY).



If you don't want to feed or take care of the public wildlife then I see only a couple of options for you. 1).Turn this over to the state to manage. Block management. They'll leave after that. 2).If that's a problem fence your lands with a game proof fence and keep our wildlife off of your property. I will work my arse off to make sure you get no welfare check off my public wildlife.

Oh I support CRP but isn't receiving money from the government for not working welfare?

I could care less what a man or manwoman does with their lands, so long as it doesn't tread on my rights. Kind of how our country was founded. Huh!
Don't tell me that you should have the right to make money off of the public's resource. Lease your lands, I couldn't care, but received no extra tags for hunting our animals. I 'll work to make sure you and your outfitters have no more tags available to our wildlife than I or anybody else does.

BTW, you could always sell out, move to beach somewhere. I've found that actually in subdivisions over here we end up with more game animals around because there no Ranchers bitching to kill them off then.

I eat beef maybe 2 or three times a year, actually prefer Elk to Beef. Sorry to burst your pimple.

Hi there, big fella!

1st Question- How would me leasing my private land to an outfitter tread on your rights? What rights do you have to anything located on my land? Real property is anything attached to the land, located on the land, growing on the land. Are you going to tell me that the beautiful pine trees that grow on my land and the river that runs through my land are yours?

If you go back and read my post, I don't have a problem with the wildlife, and in fact take extra special care of them. If you read my post to Nemont I have to find another way. If I can't keep unwelcome hunters off my land by doing the orange paint thing and telling them no, I want another way to handle it. If it isn't Block Management (which Blue Yummies described perfectly), then what are my other options besides outfitters.

How would you like it if door to door salesmen were at your house every hour of the day, knocking at your door and wanting something from you? How would you like it if they camped on your lawn without permission and destroyed your yard fence and left ruts all over your driveway? You would not be pleased, I am certain. I understand fully that not all hunters are like this, but until you "good" hunters can get the "bad" hunters lined out, the reputation will still be there.

If there are so many animals in the subdivisions where you are, then why don't you stay there and hunt.

As far as the crayon goes, you should use it to correct all of the typos and misuse of words in your post. Ranching isn't capitalized unless it begins a sentence. Too, means "also". Have a nice day.

 

[Moosie]

Oscar...all of this is your fault for huntin with criminals...

Only on Hunttalk can a topic go from people being mad at Jeff, to me being in trouble for crossing property thats not posted to Nemont and some other Rancher in Montana trading Monthly period comments

 

[Nut]

Only on Hunttalk can a topic go from people being mad at Jeff, to me being in trouble for crossing property thats not posted to Nemont and some other Rancher in Montana trading Monthly period comments

That is what makes this place so much fun.