When is enough, enough?

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was cow number 658 and calf 891.

Jeez that changes everything.
 
cowboymama said:
Dearest Idiots,

Cow number was 708 and calf was number 909, stick your "proof" where the sun doesn't shine. There will never be another hunter allowed on my land that we do not know personally. What would BigShooter have to gain by making this up you dumbasses? Speaking of dumbasses, Greenhorn, no one stated that EVERY YEAR something was shot on BigShooter's ranch... NEMont, guess what...It is OUR LAND, if we want to lock it up, we can and will. Again, if you want to hunt, buy your own land and then you can do whatever the hell you want to with it!:BLEEP:
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I could care less if you take a torch and burn every square inch of your private lands. You are the ones who decided that the best way to make sure your cows do not get shot is to reduce the numbers of ethical hunters who would turn in said cow shooters. Not my problem if you are not into having a helping hand. Please tell me where I said that you should do anything with your land.

All I said is that both you and Big Shooter are so determined that hunters are the problem that you are hurting yourselves in the long run. So ban all hunters, I have plenty of room to roam and the nice landowners who I help every year enjoy letting my kid come out and fill his deer tags. My kid wouldn't have a chance to learn about the joys of hunting if all landowners had your attitude but what do you care as the Outfitter on your place will pay what ever to keep it leased. It is a BS excuse used every year as proof of how horrible hunters are, why not just tell the truth that the public is not welcome on your land due to the Outfitter taking paying clients. That story has been told as often as the horse the nonresident shot mistaking it for an elk, but first had to let the cowboy get his saddle off of it to gut it. Even if the cows were shot and you are telling the truth you must be a very small operation for 2 head to do much damage to your bottom line, most ranchers lose a few head here and there through out the year and chalk it up to the cost of doing business. I am not saying it would not piss me off for somebody to shoot a cow and calf but I wouldn't immediately go brain dead and decide the best option is to lock up more land and reduce the number of eyes and ears out there. You know you can make your place a permission only place pretty simple, naw that would mean your Outfitter buddy wouldn't pay the lease money.

The truth is you can do what ever you want just remember when you run out of people who could have partnered with you, you are going to find out that the resident hunters you enjoy kicking around so much may figure out how make the Outfitting business you run even tougher. Better join UPOM, Inc as the big bad government is going to take your land and the dirty rotten hunters are going to shoot all your cows. Take that and stick it.

Nemont
 
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cowboymama said:
Dearest Idiots,
Cow number was 708 and calf was number 909, stick your "proof" where the sun doesn't shine. There will never be another hunter allowed on my land that we do not know personally.
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BS'rs imaginary wife shows up. We no longer have permission to hunt imanginary cows on his imaginary ranch. Bummer. I think I'll cry myself to sleep because I'll have nowhere to hunt now... :(
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JoseCuervo said:
BaaaHaaaHaaa...... LMAO...... quite the cow/calf operator where you are calving out 10 pairs a year....... :rolleyes:

Sometime, you might move on from the 4-H projects.... :eek:
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Hello stupid, What in my statement indicated that I calve out 10 pairs? Try a little closer to 900 (head of cows that is) If you would like me to draw you a picture, you are barking up the wrong tree, as it would take WAY too long to explain to a dumbass like you. The number 708 in no way indicates we only have 10 pair. The beginning number of the tag indicates the year in which the cow was born... Thanks for showing your intelligence, you made several cattle ranchers LTAO!!!! (Laugh their ass off, in case you have trouble with that one)

The 909 calf did not belong to the 708 cow. It is 2009 and the calf happened to be born to the cow that had the number 909. Yep, that means her mother was born in 1999! When the calves are born, we put a tag in their ear that matches them to their mother, because with 900 head it is a little easier to pair (match them with their mother) them up when we sort them. pause pause pause... I doubt you can understand this, but just because the numbers of the animals killed were not higher than 10, does not mean we only own 10! duh You guys are a real bright bunch. Jose', maybe you should call on Blue Yummies for some tips, even he has you beat out on the intelligence scale!
 
Nemont said:
I could care less if you take a torch and burn every square inch of your private lands. You are the ones who decided that the best way to make sure your cows do not get shot is to reduce the numbers of ethical hunters who would turn in said cow shooters. Not my problem if you are not into having a helping hand. Please tell me where I said that you should do anything with your land.

All I said is that both you and Big Shooter are so determined that hunters are the problem that you are hurting yourselves in the long run. So ban all hunters, I have plenty of room to roam and the nice landowners who I help every year enjoy letting my kid come out and fill his deer tags. My kid wouldn't have a chance to learn about the joys of hunting if all landowners had your attitude but what do you care as the Outfitter on your place will pay what ever to keep it leased. It is a BS excuse used every year as proof of how horrible hunters are, why not just tell the truth that the public is not welcome on your land due to the Outfitter taking paying clients. That story has been told as often as the horse the nonresident shot mistaking it for an elk, but first had to let the cowboy get his saddle off of it to gut it. Even if the cows were shot and you are telling the truth you must be a very small operation for 2 head to do much damage to your bottom line, most ranchers lose a few head here and there through out the year and chalk it up to the cost of doing business. I am not saying it would not piss me off for somebody to shoot a cow and calf but I wouldn't immediately go brain dead and decide the best option is to lock up more land and reduce the number of eyes and ears out there. You know you can make your place a permission only place pretty simple, naw that would mean your Outfitter buddy wouldn't pay the lease money.

The truth is you can do what ever you want just remember when you run out of people who could have partnered with you, you are going to find out that the resident hunters you enjoy kicking around so much may figure out how make the Outfitting business you run even tougher. Better join UPOM, Inc as the big bad government is going to take your land and the dirty rotten hunters are going to shoot all your cows. Take that and stick it.

Nemont
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Dearest Nemont;

If you have all this room to roam and these nice landowners that let you and Nemont junior hunt, then what the hell is your problem? No one stated anywhere that a cow and a calf would hurt my bottom line, but if someone who didn't have permission to be on your property did $1100 worth of damage and you had to pay for it, I doubt you would be so quick to jump to their defense. Have no idea what UPOM is but I do know what UP YOURS means! Have a dreadful day, Mr. Happy pants!
LOVE, COWBOYMAMA
 
Yeah, quite the random coincidence that both animals were single digit eartags.... Unless, of course, you only run 10 pairs, then, it would be expected that the numbers you have would be single digit ones.

You got caught thinking you could impress us with your numbers, and it turns out the neighbor's 4-H kid has more cattle than you do...... LMAO.

You might consider a new numbering scheme. I know some other little operators like you that would pretend they had more calves by ordering their eartags to start with 95x so that they pretended like they had 50 more head.... Or even ones that went to a 4 digit numbering scheme, or an Alpha+2 digit scheme.

Classic that you lost 10% of each year's crop to hunters....
 
Man what a mouth on her. I'm suprised she has room for 900 head in the Billings trailer park.
 
cowboylama said:
Dearest Nemont;

If you have all this room to roam and these nice landowners that let you and Nemont junior hunt, then what the hell is your problem?
LOVE, COWBOYMAMA
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My problem is anti hunters like yourself. My problem is that last year you didn't know how to build a fence good enough to not fall over when a few antelope went through it and of course it is hunters fault.

I have plenty of room to roam but anti hunters like yourself would rather see a landowner/hunter conflict so they keep stirring the pot with make believe stories. NOBODY on here cares what you do with your land, period. Just don't come on here spouting every hunting season that hunters are the bain of your existence. Buy some orange paint and just lock the gates like other people do. Don't be an anti hunter on a hunting website. PETA has a site for you.


cowboylama said:
Dearest Nemont;

but if someone who didn't have permission to be on your property did $1100 worth of damage
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LIAR- which was worth $1,100 bucks the Cow or the Calf? Not to many of either running around currently.

Big Shooter said:
One was shot from the pavement and one was shot within the fences of our place. .
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So Cowboylama explain how an anti hunter like yourself is going to fix the problem of people shooting your animals from the pavement by locking down your already leased place? Why not attempt to be a human and ask if hunters access your place to please keep an eye out for any illegal activity rather then being rag and locking gates?

Again I give two shits if you lease your place, sell your place open it or close it just don't come on here every hunting season and whine. Those deer and antelope were on that place when you bought so quit whining that hunters are doing anything to your private lands. The landowners I know and have grown up with would not categorize people shooting "from the pavement" as hunters.

Nemont
 
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Shooter says he shot an antelope, I'm thinking that maybe, shooter was out trying to figure out this hunting thing, when a herd of lopes show up. He starts blazing away, as he does the antelope that just lost its hoof, runs past the pasture with the (soon to be dead cow) cattle, and shooter whacks away again. Dead cow, and real hunters are blamed. Because Shooter is terrified of his old maid he doesn't tell her he shot the cow. Reality is IF this really happened and a cow was shot, it was on purpose by a poacher, at night more than likely, or by someone that hates the Shooter and his evil half. By the way they come on here with half a @#)(#, it's really a possibility.
 
Boy, boys......boys..............I knew that she couldn't stay off of here for long. Sorry about that.....but she is right. Jose, you are a dumb ass.......you make me laugh, but you are a dumb ass! You square heads just can't get the picture can you? We are not anti-hunter but we are against public hunters that think that they can go anywhere and public hunters that show no respect for livestock or land.......not putting any of you in this category.

You all make me laugh though as you all think that you are such bad asses, and that you have all of the solutions to this problem when in fact you have no idea. The main reason that I keep coming on here is for the fact that landowners need someone to voice their opinion on websites such as this. Greenhorn, you always make reference to this fantasy land that I live in and in all reality it is you and your peanut gallery that live in the fantasy land. The ranch is real, the cow numbers are real and the fact that 2 were killed is real.
 
BSer,

Show some proof that a hunter shot your cows...or shut the pie hole.

Like has already been stated...with your type of attitude, I'm shocked all your cows dont end up shot. I'd hate to be your neighbor.

Also, back to the topic at hand, the outfitters/landowners dont need any licenses, and IMO are lucky to have what they do now. I'll be addressing the FWP commission to drop all landowner and outfitter sponsored licenses and make them all available to the DIY hunter.
 
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cowboymama said:
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. There will never be another hunter allowed on my land that we do not know personally.
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Big Shooter,
Does you other half understand what this entire hunting site and show are dedicated too? I will give you a hint: Public lands hunting. We don't care what you do with your land, we all care about what happens on public lands.


cowboymama said:
,

. There will never be another hunter allowed on my land that we do not know personally.NEMont, guess what...It is OUR LAND, if we want to lock it up, we can and will. Again, if you want to hunt, buy your own land and then you can do whatever the hell you want to with it!:BLEEP:
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You are a prime example of what some landowners want to get accomplished, a constant battle with resident hunters. Why don't you guys go over to the UPOM website with other like minded landowners who hate resident hunters?

So explain how locking everyone off your land without regard to their ethics and painting everyone the same broad brush is pro hunting? You don't even want to give youth an opportunity, you own the land so do as you wish but don't pretend you give two shits about passing on a heritage of hunting in this state.

Nemont

P.S. My girls and 12 year old son have more pics of them hunting on this website then you do. Put up or shut up.
 
BuzzH, I really don't think that I need to put any photos of dead cows on here to prove that it happened.....I don't make a habit of lying. Surprisingly enough we are great neighbors and not the only ones around that feel the same way.

As far as the landowners and outfitters not getting tags.......send in your letter or do whatever but I doubt that it will make a huge difference. Might want to just tend to your own state and it's problems.

NeMont...you can tell yourself and your pards that this site is about public lands and DIY hunting but I have some bad news...............that is BS! It is about private land and lack there of for your pals to hunt on. Not so much you, but quite a few of these "ass clowns" like BuzzH, mad that landowners/outfitters can control access to something that they own or pay for. Don't kid yourself.

As far as the pictures are concerned I could probably round up some photos some day of our 10 cows and calves, cowboymamma in her bib overalls riding on her tractor, and possibly of some fork horns that I have killed with my .30-.30. Congratulations to your kids, I am sure that you are proud.
 
BSer,

Montana is my state, I was born there and have not missed a hunting season there in 30 years, including the last 10 when I've been on sabbatical to Wyoming.

In case your comprehension is bad, I said show proof that a hunter shot your cow...not post a picture of a dead cow. Theres already been at least 2 photos of dead cows posted on this very thread. You do know what a dead cow looks like...dont you?

I wouldnt be too quick to say things cant...and wont...change in Montana. Been around enough to know better than that.

Apparently you feel threatened to be posting on a site that is actively promoting DIY hunting on public lands, or you would be tending your herd instead of posting your BS on here.

I predict some changes in Montana...and rightfully so.
 
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Big Shooter said:
NeMont...you can tell yourself and your pards that this site is about public lands and DIY hunting but I have some bad news...............that is BS! It is about private land and lack there of for your pals to hunt on. Not so much you, but quite a few of these "ass clowns" like BuzzH, mad that landowners/outfitters can control access to something that they own or pay for. Don't kid yourself.
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None of the hunters on here have that problem. What we don't like is:

1) Landowners trying to shut off access to public land. It happens. A road goes through someones ranch to some public land. The landowner whines and cries enough and public loses the right to use the road to reach the public land.

2) The result of #1, which is landlocked public land.

3) Landowners acting like they own a piece of BLM, state, or National Forest land and either posting it or telling people that they can't go on it. If outfitters are in the area, it gets worse ten-fold.

4) Landowners not realizing the irony of the whole situation. Not many ranchers graze their own land entirely. Most have grazing leases on public, I repeat, PUBLIC land. Hey, if you want to go tit-for-tat, get your cows off the public land. Fair? I think so.
 
Beef sure is good tasting but to shoot and let lay. I'd be paying the owner for my accident and loading some beef in the back of my truck.
 
Big Shooter said:
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NeMont...you can tell yourself and your pards that this site is about public lands and DIY hunting but I have some bad news...............that is BS! It is about private land and lack there of for your pals to hunt on. Not so much you, but quite a few of these "ass clowns" like BuzzH, mad that landowners/outfitters can control access to something that they own or pay for. Don't kid yourself.

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Maybe then you can explain all the money, time and effort Big Fin has expended to do only public land hunts and show how anybody can do what he does if they want to expend the effort. This website caters to that.

If this was solely about private lands it would be far cheaper to just pay an outfitter or lease a place and only hunt private.

I believe there is a place for outfitters but at this point in time they have far more power then their numbers warrant. The public will always lose out to money interests however if the resident hunters in Montana would ever organize and flex their muscles landowners and outfitters would both scream bloody murder.

You have yet to explain how you are helping to insure that the heritage of this state is passed onto to the next generation or even how you and you spouse are not anti hunters. Why is that both of you feel that conflict with hunters is always in your best interests? If a guy or gal is going to park on the pavement and shoot cows how does deny access end that? You have yet to explain that theory either.

If somebody threatened your rights to do what you choose within the bounds of the law of the land I would be right there with you supporting your position. When it comes to landowners they can choose to open, close, lease, sell or do whatever they want with their places, no problem. Subsidizing outfitters to lease more lands using a guaranteed outfitter sponsored tag to shoot an animal that by the Constitution, State law and upheld by the courts belongs to all people of Montana, well we seperate ways there. One class of citizens should not be granted special privileges for public animals. Property rights are a different issue then the outfitting issue. That big game animals you wish to monetize are held in Trust by the state of Montana for all Montanans, that is settled law.

I take issue with your spouse's approach, you may wish to review her comments and see where she begins by telling me to stick it and addressing everyone as "dear idiots". This is a hunting website dedicated to hunters, run for hunters and the free flow of information in regards to hunting. The Montana Stock Growers Association, UPOM etc all maintain forums for landowners to share their dislike of hunters on. I would politely ask you both to post on those.

Nemont
 
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NeMont, no......no I think that I will post here for a while longer. Just because you don't agree with what I have to say does not mean that me or my bride should not post on here. Like I have stated before, the DIY hunter view is not the only one or necessarily the right one......nor is the landowners or outfitters. As far as passing on the heritage, do it on public ground or on your own ground but don't expect people to just throw the gates open for you and your offspring when they are making an income off of it to keep the lights on and food on the table. Dang NeMont, you claim to come from a huge ranch up there somewhere, you should know how often times the extra income helps in these not so great financial times in the ag industry.

Belly deep, the private landowners are not obligated to let anyone across their private to access public, nor should they be.

What most of you don't understand is if and when they ever shut down the outfitting industry or do away with outfitter tags, the same amount of land will be shut down and the same amount of land will not be accessible to the public, it's a no brainer.
 
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