When is enough, enough?

[Tom]

Is it just to meet the 5 year quota? I know in general, the non-resident prices are higher to support the residents hunting cheap, but specifically, this change might be for meeting the 5 year quota.

"For license year 20092010, the target quota for Outfitter-Sponsored Deer Combination licenses is
1,8002,250 and the target quota for Outfitter-Sponsored Big-game Combination licenses is 4,7505,390 to meet the
intent of the 5-year average, while compensating for refunds that occur after September 1 without re-issuance of
licenses. Refunded Outfitter-Sponsored Licenses will be reissued from an Outfitter-Sponsored Alternates list only if
the refund causes the number to fall below the target quota."

from Bambistew's link.

If landowners have guides who work for outfitters as responsible parties on their land, it sure narrows down who is responsible for the problems and who fixes them. That's a major benefit. Locals have plenty of cheap places to hunt. Just plain facts.

 

[belly-deep]

If landowners have guides who work for outfitters as responsible parties on their land, it sure narrows down who is responsible for the problems and who fixes them. That's a major benefit. Locals have plenty of cheap places to hunt. Just plain facts.

I can agree with the first part, but I don't think the second is anywhere near a fact.

 

[Dinkshooter]

Shot cows in the field. Drunk teenagers....maybe. Hunters I doubt it. Although I am a sissified urban dweller I have a few rancher type friends. In my whole life I have never heard of them compaining a hunter shot a cow. And they are the public land cheap grazers.

Got a pic of the dead cow with bullet hole proof?

 

[Tom]

I can agree with the first part, but I don't think the second is anywhere near a fact.

When is enough, enough on that one?

 

[Blue Yummies]

Was this one of your cows

 

[Big Shooter]

Was this one of your cows

No, ass lips....mine were black......both of them. If you guys want pictures I guess I could come up with some.........!

 

[DRAFTSTUD]

BSer, When you say the cows were shot from the road and inside your property and they weren't caught by you, how can you state they were hunters? We all wish things that show Hunters in a bad light were shut down. Be it a prankster shooting your cows or someone stating they were hunters when they have no proof that they were in fact hunters. Do you see my point on this? John

 

[Blue Yummies]

pretty good prank I will have to remember that, do you think it would work for
neighbor dogs?? maybe cats?

 

[oleefish2]

I was raised between Billings and Red Lodge in the 50s and 60s. We had deer and lots of pheasants along the creek bottom. We had a cow killed by bird hunters, 2 horses killed by people not closing gates and fences cut by people rather than crawl through or over. So the issue of sportsmen being ethical has been a problem for lots of years. My dad gave up on giving permission to anyone he did not know personally. I have helped some landowners with hunters for several years in trade for hunting privileges and have found that the problem lies mostly in local people that feel that they have privilege to go were ever they please. One ranch by Casper WY had 6 deer shot and left that I personally found. Who did it I am unsure but the next year no public access was allowed. So if I can contract someone to help me control the damages and make some money along the way why not?

 

[belly-deep]

We had a cow killed by bird hunters,

I'm not calling you a liar, but please tell me how in the hell you can kill a cow with #6 shot? Bird dogs accidentally get shot with that stuff and usually survive...they are a whole lot smaller than a cow. Heck, Dick Cheney shot a man in the face and he lived. You would have to be, literally, feet away. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I would like to know the story behind the incident.

 

[belly-deep]

When is enough, enough on that one?

So a better alternative would be to have all of the private land leased up in Montana and then you would have the privilege of paying to hunt every year? No thanks, you can keep that in Texas. Maybe I'm crazy, but I still like to get permission by knocking on doors and acting polite, not pulling out my wallet and waving money around. Locals have been losing hunting places to people that lease up land at a steady rate in the West. And that is actually a fact.

 

[Dinkshooter]

I'm not calling you a liar, but please tell me how in the hell you can kill a cow with #6 shot? Bird dogs accidentally get shot with that stuff and usually survive...they are a whole lot smaller than a cow. Heck, Dick Cheney shot a man in the face and he lived. You would have to be, literally, feet away. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I would like to know the story behind the incident.

Ok I am gonna come right out and say it again. It never happened.

http://www.cowabduction.com/

Brief interview with Bigshooter talking about his cows. Could be why his cows are getting shot. Trying to save his cows from aliens.

 

[shoots-straight]

The old wives tale that we had cows shot by hunters is just that. I call BS on Shooter. Come up with something else. WE DON'T BUY IT. If a cow is shot it was on purpose, and not by a hunter but rather a rustler or shooter himself looking for insurance. BS.

The biggest problem I have with the set asides is that they originally came out of the 17,000 NR combination tags. So 11,500 tags were sold to first come first servers. The Dept. some how some where in time has bumped the 11,500 tags back up to over 17,000. We actually have close to 40,000 NR just hunting Deer, and Elk in Montana. That doesn't include the unlimited tags they can purchase to hunt here. This is out of control by the Montana resident and we need to contact our legislatures and reign them in.

 

[oleefish2]

I'm not calling you a liar, but please tell me how in the hell you can kill a cow with #6 shot? Bird dogs accidentally get shot with that stuff and usually survive...they are a whole lot smaller than a cow. Heck, Dick Cheney shot a man in the face and he lived. You would have to be, literally, feet away. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I would like to know the story behind the incident.

Well it had a fist size hole in its neck and we had the cops and a vet check it out and that was their judgment. Killing animals with number 4 or 5 shot is difficult but very doable. I personally know two people that killed a deer with bird shot. 5 do not know how long the cow lived but it sure was dead when we found it. ..

 

[JoseCuervo]

Well it had a fist size hole in its neck and we had the cops and a vet check it out and that was their judgment. Killing animals with number 4 or 5 shot is difficult but very doable. I personally know two people that killed a deer with bird shot. 5 do not know how long the cow lived but it sure was dead when we found it. ..

So, what did your CSI Vet and the Homocide Department figure happened? Somebody mistakenly was 4 feet away from a 1200 pound Angus cow (as evidenced by a small wound channel from a shotgun, the size of a fist) and thought the 1200 pound cow was actually a 12oz quail?

Not saying you don't have good cops and forensic vets up there, but I don't think you can blame it on a hunter for mistaking a 1200 pound Angus cow for a quail at 4 feet away....

 

[Dinkshooter]

Jose

Haven't you ever heard of CSI-Billings 1960?

On Friday nights at 11:00pm

 

[The Hedgehog]

but since hunting season started we have lost one cow and one big heifer calf, both shot by hunters. One was shot from the pavement and one was shot within the fences of our place. This is why we sometimes have a bit of a bitter taste in our mouth when it comes to hunters. Again, I am not lumping any of you in this category but this is why landowners either lease to outfitters or don't allow hunting at all. Anyway.....I shot an antelope the other day that I might put on here to see if he is big or not...even a blind squirrel finds an acorn even now and again.

Were the "hunters" who supposedly shot your cattle, those who you allowed to hunt by permission? If not, how does hiring an outfitter or telling law-abiding hunters to get lost prevent that from happening? I have a hard time buying that somebody asked you for permission to hunt, then went and shot some of your livestock. You need to be upset at criminal trespassers, vandals, and deralicts - not hunters.

Would enjoy seeing photos of your antelope, dead cows, and perhaps the statement to the sheriff regarding the "hunters" on your place..

but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Meatatarian]

shoots-straight- I'm curious how that 40,000 breaks down by different licenses. Do you know how it does?

 

[shoots-straight]

shoots-straight- I'm curious how that 40,000 breaks down by different licenses. Do you know how it does?

God I was hoping nobody would ask. Here goes, for 2009 only if you want more I'll e-mail the whole file.

Big Game Combination: 17,784 combo's sold
1,332 General elk
3,536 outfitter sponsered combo 439 outfitter sponsered elk only

Deer only NR : 11,590 deer only
1,760 outfitter sponsered
2,663 landowner tag

Grand total 39,104 NR tags. doesn't include area's that have over-the-counter unlimited tags for sale.

One year over 46,000 tags where sold.

 

[Big Shooter]

Were the "hunters" who supposedly shot your cattle, those who you allowed to hunt by permission? If not, how does hiring an outfitter or telling law-abiding hunters to get lost prevent that from happening? I have a hard time buying that somebody asked you for permission to hunt, then went and shot some of your livestock. You need to be upset at criminal trespassers, vandals, and deralicts - not hunters.

Would enjoy seeing photos of your antelope, dead cows, and perhaps the statement to the sheriff regarding the "hunters" on your place..

but I won't hold my breath.

I am not going to hold my breath that you will have hetero-sexual sex for once any time soon either. Is it not somewhat ironic that the cow and heifer calf were shot right after antelope season started? Do I call them hunters? No, I don't.....but they probably had tags and were supposedly "hunting". The people on this site are hunters, the jackasses that did the shooting were calling themselves hunters, dressing like them and everything, often times making it hard to tell the difference.

Believe me, we don't mind letting some people in, but this makes it harder......

The antelope photo I can produce (if I can figure it out), the dead cow photo I shouldn't need to produce and the statement to the sheriff, why bother as they won't catch anyone anyway.


P.S.

GreenTits......nice goat!! I am glad that the B&C entry will say Garfeild County........so does my summer address.