Ukraine / Russia

[Nameless Range]

Here is a crowdsourced interactive map of the war in real time I thought was pretty fascinating.

Eyes on Russia: The Russia-Ukraine Monitor Map by Cen4infoRes · MapHub

Eyes on Russia: The Russia-Ukraine Monitor Map by Cen4infoRes

maphub.net

 

[brymoore]

It'll take well over a decade of disciplined work to build back electronics and other manufacturing industries. You also have to plan on doing without S. Korea and Tawain.

It wouldn’t take that long. The factories can be built within a year with better equipment to help reduce labor. US companies have already been researching costs to bring back industries due to the hassle of the tariffs. The tariffs plus shipping costs are equalizing the higher costs in the US to manufacture.

 

[BigHornRam]

It wouldn’t take that long. The factories can be built within a year with better equipment to help reduce labor. US companies have already been researching costs to bring back industries due to the hassle of the tariffs. The tariffs plus shipping costs are equalizing the higher costs in the US to manufacture.

Ford and GM are getting into chip development to help deal with the shortage

Ford announced a new deal with chipmaker GlobalFoundries today.

www.theverge.com

 

[VikingsGuy]

It wouldn’t take that long. The factories can be built within a year with better equipment to help reduce labor. US companies have already been researching costs to bring back industries due to the hassle of the tariffs. The tariffs plus shipping costs are equalizing the higher costs in the US to manufacture.

You obviously have no experience building complex manufacturing facilities. You are also not accounting for the overall ecosystem of companies needed to run these complex operations. Minimum 4 years to get meaningful chip production out of a plant if you started design now. And a $1billion captial for just one. And we need hundreds of such facilities to make up for fabs, screen and gadget production over seas. Will probably take you 4-7 years to get one full scale modern steel facility up and running to capacity given environmental paperwork etc. and we need a few dozen of these too.

 

[VikingsGuy]

You obviously have no experience building complex manufacturing facilities. You are also not accounting for the overall ecosystem of companies needed to run these complex operations. Minimum 4 years to get meaningful chip production out of a plant if you started design now. And a $1billion captial for just one. And we need hundreds of such facilities to make up for fabs, screen and gadget production over seas. Will probably take you 4-7 years to get one full scale modern steel facility up and running to capacity given environmental paperwork etc. and we need a few dozen of these too.

And don't forget the raw materials needed to run these facilities - many key materials are almost entirely sourced from china - it will take a decade or more to get permitting and do construction of new heavy/rare metal production in the US.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Ford and GM are getting into chip development to help deal with the shortage

Ford announced a new deal with chipmaker GlobalFoundries today.

www.theverge.com

No dobut covid and china have bumped this to the discussion list for last 18 months. But per this article:

 

[Addicting]

As for any US citizen that praises czar Putin - I suggest they be deported to Moscow.

Can you deport a former president? Asking for a friend….

 

[mtmuley]

it will take a decade or more to get permitting and do construction of new heavy/rare metal production in the US.

Yeah. Think about that. mtmuley

 

[BigHornRam]

No dobut covid and china have bumped this to the discussion list for last 18 months. But per this article:

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This coming from the guy that thinks we can build "next gen" nuclear power plants in less than 10 years.

 

[brymoore]

You obviously have no experience building complex manufacturing facilities. You are also not accounting for the overall ecosystem of companies needed to run these complex operations. Minimum 4 years to get meaningful chip production out of a plant if you started design now. And a $1billion captial for just one. And we need hundreds of such facilities to make up for fabs, screen and gadget production over seas. Will probably take you 4-7 years to get one full scale modern steel facility up and running to capacity given environmental paperwork etc. and we need a few dozen of these too.

I’m not sure how much experience you have or knowledge of American business.

Intel is building a $20B chip plant in Ohio. It won’t take a decade, production start in 2025.

I’m a corporate banker talking with businesses to finance these deals. I see details and understand construction timetables. Nothing in American business takes a decade.

 

[VikingsGuy]

I’m not sure how much experience you have or knowledge of American business.

Intel is building a $20B chip plant in Ohio. It won’t take a decade, production start in 2025.

I’m a corporate banker talking with businesses to finance these deals. I see details and understand construction timetables. Nothing in American business takes a decade.

See the building of a copper mine in northern MN - 10 years and their permitting just got yanked.

How about pipeline projects? Privately funded stadiums?

Also re: intel reference - that dance started in 2020 and you say start in 2025 -- so, 4-5 years as I suggested. I appreciate your supporting info.

As for my experience - I work with a company that puts $2B a year into the ground of concrete and steel to make goods and services. If you start with "I want a plant" and add in site selection, permitting, engineering design, lead time orders and actual construction, nothing big enough to matter happens from start in under 2 years. But ya, once all the years of background work is done we might call a banker for the 12-18 mo actual physical construction activity.

Bottom line - we have lost entire industries and supporting infrastructure and raw material supply chains - it took 40 years to lose, it will take more than a year to recreate.

 

[VikingsGuy]

This coming from the guy that thinks we can build "next gen" nuclear power plants in less than 10 years.

I was referring to design package, not actual functioning plants.

 

[Potsie]

It wouldn’t take that long. The factories can be built within a year with better equipment to help reduce labor. US companies have already been researching costs to bring back industries due to the hassle of the tariffs. The tariffs plus shipping costs are equalizing the higher costs in the US to manufacture.

Less than a year to build the factory, the actual building, yes. Less than a year to source the actual manufacturing equipment? Mehhh,
less than likely. The facility I am currently building will go up in around a year, but it’s been a 4 year process to program, design, and build the equipment.

Granted, my client is basically building the first of its kind in North of America, but it’s been done many many times in Europe. His time to marketable goods will drastically decrease for his next shop, but 5 years for actual for #1.

 

[Trial153]

Can you deport a former president? Asking for a friend….

Add Tucker to the list …

“Hating [Russian President Vladimir] Putin has become the central purpose of America’s foreign policy. It’s the main thing that we talk about,” Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson said on Tuesday. “It might be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?”

 

[Gerald Martin]

Add Tucker to the list …

“Hating [Russian President Vladimir] Putin has become the central purpose of America’s foreign policy. It’s the main thing that we talk about,” Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson said on Tuesday. “It might be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?”

In this exchange it’s clear to me that this gentleman understands that Putin doesn’t mess around with threatening to fire someone who disagrees with him.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

Add Tucker to the list …

“Hating [Russian President Vladimir] Putin has become the central purpose of America’s foreign policy. It’s the main thing that we talk about,” Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson said on Tuesday. “It might be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?”

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned what would Reagan do…

Wouldn’t be sucking up to a Russian strongman.

Republicans and Democrats need to do some soul searching and figure out what they stand for, SMH

 

[Trial153]

In this exchange it’s clear to me that this gentleman understands that Putin doesn’t mess around with threatening to fire someone who disagrees with him.

Good old Vald is just misunderstood…… sweet guy. Very savvy

 

[VikingsGuy]

Add Tucker to the list …

“Hating [Russian President Vladimir] Putin has become the central purpose of America’s foreign policy. It’s the main thing that we talk about,” Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson said on Tuesday. “It might be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?”

They both have to get in line behind this *assh*t, Nicholas Fuentes.

"I wish Putin was president of America,” Fuentes told his 45,000 subscribers on Telegram on Wednesday morning.

“I am totally rooting for Russia,” he wrote the following morning. “This is the coolest thing to happen since 1/6.”

“I never doubted you [Putin], my Czar."

 

[Potsie]

Good old Vald is just misunderstood…… sweet guy. Very savvy

Brilliant really, get an entire country for $2 in sanctions.

 

[TN2shot07]

They both have to get in line behind this *assh*t, Nicholas Fuentes.

"I wish Putin was president of America,” Fuentes told his 45,000 subscribers on Telegram on Wednesday morning.

“I am totally rooting for Russia,” he wrote the following morning. “This is the coolest thing to happen since 1/6.”

“I never doubted you [Putin], my Czar."

Can we get a vote for all media to head that way? I think I’d get by just fine with just the weather on the news channel and he’s still wrong at least half of hunting season…