Addicting
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Define the threat, that has to be justified. Even when it is you will still be on trial of public opinion.
That opinion has shaped department policy and ROE. For you to say it’s not you are not being true with yourself.
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That opinion has shaped department policy and ROE. For you to say it’s not you are not being true with yourself.
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The republican convention should be a real banger this year
ismith
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Dumbest thing I've read today, still early though. Carry on.........
High security too. mtmuley
If a LEO lives / operates with hesitation to protect life of self or others...
Secret Service is under DHS. That is an excerpt from our most recent force policy.
Carnage2011
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Well, according to a friend that was SS for quite some time and currently spends his days in the pentagon, when someone is pointing a gun at a Presidential candidate he should be dispatched immediately. According to him the candidates life is worth more than anything else at that moment. He said ROE is a whole lot different for SS than it is for war.
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I think if they had shot preemptively, with the man having a rifle, on a roof, 150 yards from a presidential candidate, it would be viewed as an appropriate response.
It would take one helluva lawyer to sell a justification for being on a roof with a rifle, when the candidate was ~150 yards away. I doubt Johnny Cochran could do it, if he was still around.
It would take one helluva lawyer to sell a justification for being on a roof with a rifle, when the candidate was ~150 yards away. I doubt Johnny Cochran could do it, if he was still around.
rjthehunter
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Exactly. At the very least if they were unable to confirm, get the former president off of the stage immediately.
In one of the interviews on the tmz story, the one guy said that he saw the shooter crawling in to position and was alerting police and secret service, but no one did anything.
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Secret Service agents, both current and retired, told The Post that they are in shock at how badly Trump’s outer rings of security appeared to fail. They note that the inner perimeter of Trump’s security, the agents in his immediate detail, performed rapidly once shots rang out and evacuated Trump to safety upon confirming the shooter had been killed and was no longer a threat.
“How the f--- did he get a gun that close,” one former Secret Service officer opined in a series of exchanges with colleagues yesterday reviewed by The Post. The response he received from a fellow agent was “resources.”
Some watching videos of the shooting pointed to the outer ring of security as the gaping flaw. A well-respected counter sniper agent ultimately killed the suspected shooter within seconds of him firing.
“This is bad. Just terrible,” said one former senior leader of Secret Service presidential protection, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the agency. “When the incident occurred I was baffled when I heard the distance of the shot ... How could that happen?”
“How the f--- did he get a gun that close,” one former Secret Service officer opined in a series of exchanges with colleagues yesterday reviewed by The Post. The response he received from a fellow agent was “resources.”
Some watching videos of the shooting pointed to the outer ring of security as the gaping flaw. A well-respected counter sniper agent ultimately killed the suspected shooter within seconds of him firing.
“This is bad. Just terrible,” said one former senior leader of Secret Service presidential protection, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the agency. “When the incident occurred I was baffled when I heard the distance of the shot ... How could that happen?”
Addicting
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Agreed, that was the simplest and safest response. I am surprised that did not happen. It will be interesting to see why when the investigation is done.
3855WIN
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Local LEO climbed up to the top of the building, using both hands, so no gun drawn. The shooter looked at him and the LEO ducked back down. Then the shooter started shooting.
Addicting
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Maybe so, that brings up the question again of why wasn’t he shot at the first chance they had. By the video and reaction time he was in cross hairs before the initial trigger broke.
3855WIN
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I’m thinking the sniper team we see the image of wasn’t the team that took him out. The team from the image possibly didn’t have line of site to the shooter.
rjthehunter
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If you don't think that the SS is playing by different rules, then you're sadly mistaken.
An unauthorized kid crawling on a rooftop 150 yards from the former president with a rifle is more than enough justification to take the shot. Welcome to the United States, where you don't have to watch someone get shot in the head before taking action.
For instance. Minnesota law allows a person to use deadly force if the individual reasonably believes that the person or another person is at risk of great bodily harm or death. Now you have a duty to retreat, and it has to be the only viable option as well. In this case, there's no logical reason the kid would be up there with a rifle if it wasn't to attempt an assassination on Trump.
Addicting
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This really aided the conversation. Your in-site into this shooting opened my eyes. Now that I fully understand, I can go in peace knowing how it all makes sense. Thankyou so much for that.
Nick87
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I have a really dumb question. I have voted in every election since I was 18 local to presidential. Not always the same party. What makes one registered republican or Democrat? Is that something you sign up for somewhere? At the booth?
rjthehunter
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I didn't hear that part yet. Yikes.
Addicting
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We all have rules, even the SS. You may be right, It will come out in the investigation.
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