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Agreed. That’s why a drive across an imaginary state line makes all the difference. Montana can’t be fixed with the current restraints.Not giving shits about the funding means you don’t give shits about your ideas becoming reality…
I don’t disagree that your ideas could be a biological improvement as well as improving hunt quality if they were adopted by the agency. I just don’t think that’s a legislative fight that would be won and I don’t see anyone stepping up to sponsor that bill.
There is a 100 different ways we can fail at getting anything accomplished. If the dollars don’t make sense this won’t happen. Love it or hate it that is the reality.Agreed. That’s why a drive across an imaginary state line makes all the difference. Montana can’t be fixed with the current restraints.
It is currently mathematical gymnastics because the total number of deer and elk tags are statutorily set. If you shift x number of hunters from one or more regions, they are simply displaced somewhere else within the confines of the state.It’s not mathematical gymnastics it’s wildlife management and it needs to happen. 40% of the previous years resident harvest is extremely generous. I don’t give one shit about the funding because I can see what we are currently getting.
Absolutely true.There is a 100 different ways we can fail at getting anything accomplished. If the dollars don’t make sense this won’t happen. Love it or hate it that is the reality.
Maybe I should have taken longer to change my oil and rotate my tires.This place is depressing
What is the cost of FWP producing a mule deer? They don’t produce mule deer. Why does it take so much money for them to “manage” a wild population so poorly? Where is this money going?There is a 100 different ways we can fail at getting anything accomplished. If the dollars don’t make sense this won’t happen. Love it or hate it that is the reality.
Common sense could go a long ways for our wildlife.This place is depressing
I will take “The words I mumble to myself after spending a day mule deer hunting public land in region 7 MT for $1000 Alex”This place is depressing
That seems like a @Ben Lamb question. He is the numbers guyWhat is the cost of FWP producing a mule deer? They don’t produce mule deer. Why does it take so much money for them to “manage” a wild population so poorly? Where is this money going?
Seems like all you guys are circling back to the talking points. to me like we are all on the same team with this despite what license plate your Prius has on it. @TheJason I 100% agree the issue is much larger than just nr and worry that by changing stuff with the nr it will just hit the pause button on what needs done.
Reading through your post reminded me of our previous conversations about how that current resident hunter days have increased to an equivalent rate comparable to an additional 18,000 NR hunters.
NR hunters are an easy target for folks who are frustrated with their hunting experience but changes to how many days residents spend afield is happening at a much greater scale than NR’s. Focus on NR’s only might relieve social frustration but probably won’t change much pressure on the resource.
That’s pretty much what I was driving at. Until you change the foundation (ie season structure) it’s foolish to expect the house to be any more stable.NR hunters are an easy target for folks who are frustrated with their hunting experience but changes to how many days residents spend afield is happening at a much greater scale than NR’s. Focus on NR’s only might relieve social frustration but probably won’t change much pressure on the resource.
It’s also worth noting you can change the season structure and those harvest stats won’t change until you have regional caps for nonresidents.That’s pretty much what I was driving at. Until you change the foundation (ie season structure) it’s foolish to expect the house to be anymore stable.
That’s a metaphor too.
It’s worth noting this downward spiral started way back when folks thought a Billings plate was the equivalent of a NR.
And here I thought you and I might get along what’s with this Billings plate thingThat’s pretty much what I was driving at. Until you change the foundation (ie season structure) it’s foolish to expect the house to be anymore stable.
That’s a metaphor too.
It’s worth noting this downward spiral started way back when folks thought a Billings plate was the equivalent of a NR.
I just hope this works. I really hope we break the chains of a ht echo chamber by the way this was put together. Even if you read this thread there is a lot of F this guy or F that group we took a total different approach and brought all those people to the table. Most people seem to just still be trying to preserve what they value for their own season. Until we all look into the mirror and address the issue nothing changes. This rant brought on by last few pagesReading through your post reminded me of our previous conversations about how that current resident hunter days have increased to an equivalent rate comparable to an additional 18,000 NR hunters.
NR hunters are an easy target for folks who are frustrated with their hunting experience but changes to how many days residents spend afield is happening at a much greater scale than NR’s. Focus on NR’s only might relieve social frustration but probably won’t change much pressure on the resource.
Billings plates were the original Bozeman guy platesAnd here I thought you and I might get along what’s with this Billings plate thing
30 years ago the folks down around Otter used to hold their noses when they talked about Billings hunters.And here I thought you and I might get along what’s with this Billings plate thing
And that’s where you and I will heartily disagree.It’s also worth noting you can change the season structure and those harvest stats won’t change until you have regional caps for nonresidents.