No, you could still hunt both species of deer during the archery season.
Thanks for the clarification. I’ve read through the proposal but didn’t connect the dots.
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No, you could still hunt both species of deer during the archery season.
With the added benefit of getting way more people burning mule deer points. Even just like 10 rut hunt permits per general unit would clear out hundreds of higher point holders and help make the truly premium units more achievable for the people who are willing to hold out. I'd be a big fan of this adjustment.I get what your saying - but my point was largely about getting the average montanan in for it.
When we sat down as a group we discussed goals first thing. The goal we all wanted was for mule deer to not be shot in November with a center fire. The biggest push back we have gotten really is that all the change is to radical in a sense of if it works we won’t know why. Was it moving the dates or pick your region or the pick your species. I’ve said from the beginning that I felt any change that would be made would have to be death by a thousand cuts. This plan even without the region is a serious step in the right direction. It lays a lot of ground work with mandatory reporting and other things to get fwp better data. With that data if we can get this pushed thru adding a regional cap or anything else down the road would be easier for them with having actual numbers to do soI just don’t see enough protections for region 6 and 7 to get very fired up about this plan. We are going to see the same amount of nonresidents and western Montana hunters for 2 months instead of 5 weeks. It is going to increase landowner fatigue. The benefit I do see is taking the rut out of mule deer season. With western Montana and nonresident pressure it still won’t be a quality hunt. You could have a jackalope hunt in August and people would bring their campers out for it. Taking pick your region out of the plan is darn near a deal breaker for me.
Make more people a fan .... More seasons and places to chop both deer/elk points up is a big enough sell to me to not care about mule deer season as much at all..... Itd be like adding several major draw units to both deer and elk (if it was 5 even per area) in terms of draw odds we would see a rare improvement or flatline.With the added benefit of getting way more people burning mule deer points. Even just like 10 rut hunt permits per general unit would clear out hundreds of higher point holders and help make the truly premium units more achievable for the people who are willing to hold out. I'd be a big fan of this adjustment.
There is one thing that most of us do know living in regions 6 and 7 is that we will still be over run with people until we get pick your region with caps… basically we won’t see a difference except everyone will be packed in R6 and 7 for a month instead of 5 weeks and the deer hunting will be worse then it is now… that is if there is much for any deer left after the slaughter begins in 2 daysWhen we sat down as a group we discussed goals first thing. The goal we all wanted was for mule deer to not be shot in November with a center fire. The biggest push back we have gotten really is that all the change is to radical in a sense of if it works we won’t know why. Was it moving the dates or pick your region or the pick your species. I’ve said from the beginning that I felt any change that would be made would have to be death by a thousand cuts. This plan even without the region is a serious step in the right direction. It lays a lot of ground work with mandatory reporting and other things to get fwp better data. With that data if we can get this pushed thru adding a regional cap or anything else down the road would be easier for them with having actual numbers to do so
A couple things that have worried me about region caps. First is the numbers would more than likely be set so high due to lack of information it wouldn’t make a difference you’d still see a ridiculous amount of pressure. By removing pick your region it can allow hunters to stay more fluid and move around and try to possibly escape pressure. The second thing would be a guy coming over from region 2 with a region 7 deer tag will more than likely shoot a buck before he leaves 7. Especially if he isn’t coming back for the remainder of season. Given the opportunity to maybe day hunt closer to his home he might let a young buck walk that he wouldn’t have. The problem with both our ideas is we don’t have great numbers and it’s speculative. All I know is a shooters gonna shootThere is one thing that most of us do know living in regions 6 and 7 is that we will still be over run with people until we get pick your region with caps… basically we won’t see a difference except everyone will be packed in R6 and 7 for a month instead of 5 weeks and the deer hunting will be worse then it is now… that is if there is much for any deer left after the slaughter begins in 2 days