Militia takes over wildlife refuge headquarters
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tjones
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One of these dumbasses is gonna hit the trigger. Then it will hit the fan. mtmuley
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JWP58
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They are definitely not helping themselves. I would shut the power off, and get the tear gas ready. But I'm not there, and wont be judged by every armchair quarterbacks
Walkathon
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Can't believe this has gone on this long. The story is on National Public Radio several times a day. Something has to give....... Sounds like more and more locals are vocalizing their non-support of these guys.
spook12
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Torn, what is the better outcome; militia removed by Federal authorities or forced to leave due to public irritation?
Gerald Martin
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Beginning to think that the best outcome would be them agreeing to go due to local sentiment and then being prosecuted for their trespass. Send them over to Syria for their punishment so they can appreciate having a decent government to live under.
I'm fine if they release the Hammons. If they do not imprison the Bundy ass clowns for this one, chit needs to start getting serious from those of us who have been to patient as idiots take over our public places. Just because public land users are respectful and orderly, as opposed to the cowboy candy asses, doesn't mean we need to be the path of least resistance to a President, a Congress, and a Secretary of Interior that refuses to represent our interest.
Personally, I'm fed up with the entire debacle there and the clown show their old man continues to put on parade down in Nevada. It does nothing but pander to the fringe elements who want to make public lands appear so devalued that the best thing to do is sell them or transfer them.
Personally, I'm fed up with the entire debacle there and the clown show their old man continues to put on parade down in Nevada. It does nothing but pander to the fringe elements who want to make public lands appear so devalued that the best thing to do is sell them or transfer them.
katqanna
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In March 2014, Comfrey Jacobs, without any weapons, peacefully chained himself to a gate at the Yellowstone National Park Stevens Creek bison capture area, near Gardiner, MT, to protest the capturing of our wild YNP bison, sending them off like livestock to be slaughter due to politics. His peaceful protest was directly related to his actions, which served to protect a public trust resource and gain media attention to the plight of wild bison in the Park and those entering MT. Personally, I had no problem with this and not just because it involved bison.
"Around 10am, a welder released Mr. Jacobs and he was then arrested and taken into custody by the Park Service. Mr. Jacobs was taken to Yellowstone's jail in Mammoth and later released. He has been charged with disorderly conduct, breaking the Stephens Creek closure, and interfering with a government operation.
"The judge sentenced Jacobs to three years of unsupervised probation with a ban from the Park, the $355 restitution, plus a $500 fine and what was titled a “community service payment” of $2,500 to a Yellowstone National Park-affiliated foundation."
Jacobs used no weapons, threatened no one, took over no federal buildings and did not threaten to end the Federal governments jurisdiction there, or to steal from the American public what they own.
Yet the Bundys and others have done far worse in Nevada and here again in Oregon. The hypocrisy is flagrant and appalling in my eyes.
"Around 10am, a welder released Mr. Jacobs and he was then arrested and taken into custody by the Park Service. Mr. Jacobs was taken to Yellowstone's jail in Mammoth and later released. He has been charged with disorderly conduct, breaking the Stephens Creek closure, and interfering with a government operation.
"The judge sentenced Jacobs to three years of unsupervised probation with a ban from the Park, the $355 restitution, plus a $500 fine and what was titled a “community service payment” of $2,500 to a Yellowstone National Park-affiliated foundation."
Jacobs used no weapons, threatened no one, took over no federal buildings and did not threaten to end the Federal governments jurisdiction there, or to steal from the American public what they own.
Yet the Bundys and others have done far worse in Nevada and here again in Oregon. The hypocrisy is flagrant and appalling in my eyes.
Agree 100%. Big fines and lots of time.
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If I recall, existing AUM lessees with appurtenant deeded land (i.e. the old timers) get priority shots at the lease renewals. Well, since Bundy, in Nevada, is so out of line, couldn't another appurtenant deed holder apply for and get the AUMs? Maybe they wouldn't want to piss off the neighbors (Bundy) if they too are old time ranchers in the area with their own leases, but . . . wouldn't this be an opportunity for a third party (a hunting/conservation group) to buy in on a 160 acres somewhere and get those AUMs? They would then have standing to sue the BLM and force removal of the Bundy cattle. Or, in the process of moving their own cattle around, deal with the Bundy cattle.
Thinking out loud. Could be way off base.
Even further off topic, could a hunting/conservation organization that ended up with some AUMs use them for wildlife, bison, whatever? Or must they be used for cattle or forfeited?
Thinking out loud. Could be way off base.
Even further off topic, could a hunting/conservation organization that ended up with some AUMs use them for wildlife, bison, whatever? Or must they be used for cattle or forfeited?
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Hunting Wife
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With all of this going on, I hope people are contacting their representatives in Washington and letting them know how you feel about what's happening on your public lands. It's easy to get complacent outside of legislative sessions, but clearly the land grab camp isn't taking the day off.
Someone just started a petition for the White House. As little faith as I have for the person in the White House, I signed it as part of expressing my displeasure with the lack of prosecution of the Bundy idiots in both Nevada and Oregon.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/keep-public-lands-open-taxpayer-0
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/keep-public-lands-open-taxpayer-0
Lawnboy
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So did they ever cut the power and phone out there? If not they've got to at least do that. It would make it real uncomfortable in short order I'd think.
I see no way these cowardly thugs don't face time. The federal government is trying to avoid a bloody confrontation, which is wise because if it ends up like that it will just stir more controversy surrounding federal land management tyranny that doesn't exist. But realistically how long before state and federal law enforcment decide this is going to end?
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That's what I was wondering for ever but then someone above mentioned something I never thought of: apparently the pipes would freeze and cause a lot of damage. However, maybe we are at the point where that would be worth it. Cut power, cut water (might take some recon types to get in and get out), cut comm, jam radio. And for crying out loud, quit letting people in! Jeesh!
Hunting Wife
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That is a complicated one. First, a lot of those parcels are landlocked. I think in a lot of cases that's why these guys are the only ones getting the lease. No one else can do anything with It. It seems like some Enviro groups have tried buying up leases and failed. They just didn't want grazing on the land at all though, and that might have been why they were unsuccessful. Usually when a cooperator fails to do what is asked of them their lease is terminated. Not sure if that is how the Bundys ended up in a trespass grazing situation to begin with? I am no expert on BLMs leasing though.
As far as the question of conservation groups. Usually the way a lease agreement works (in theory) is that the agency works with you to determine where, how long and at what time of the growing season they want you to graze to meet their management objectives, based on your herd size. That rotation typically includes some units that rest, but it's all part of the agreement. There is no agreement to lease land to do nothing. You can only graze regular livestock as far as I know.
No, they haven't. They let them go back and forth to town for supplies, food, water, etc. They've done nothing. Spineless leadership in DC.
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