Marines With Embassy No Live Ammo in Egypt??

[sbhooper]

Sbhopper- he must have gotten there after you left. He was still there when the students took the embassy, and was a guest of the ayatollah for a few years.

As for the nuking thing. Not sure I would go that far, but don't be confused this is the Muslim's crusade. I just hope we can keep fighting them over there. It is international, no one country over there is responsible, the radical clerics are.

He would have been after me. I was there when Iran was still our ally. The Shah was in power and Richard Helms was the ambassador. I had a blast in that country. They even had some good snow skiing. We used to see Ibex on the way to the ski areas. The roads were DANGEROUS, though.

We had a couple of attacks on people when we were there, but it mainly went to crap after I was gone.

 

[Upland Steve]

I spent a year in Iran and a year in Iraq, and I have to say that I agree with you. Unfortunately, it is not realistic as we live in a do-gooder society that will not do what needs to be done. That is why our country is in a downward spiral. Somehow our fine politicians cannot figure out that the middle east cannot be brought into this century.

This type of hatred is much more troubling to me than the Western haters of the Middle East.
This is coming from the father of a 23 year old Marine that lost both of his legs in an IED attack in Bakwa, Afghanistan.
I have no trouble punishing those responsible, but the killing of innocent people puts you in the same category as those you hate.
I don't care if you spent 20 years fighting over there, the KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
will be the down fall you speak of............

 

[JohnCushman]

I understand that, just giving you some crap. I'm retired Air Force, so I know and understand the whole sensoring of any subject prior to approval by Public Affairs!

Air Farce? I thought you were in the military. HOOAH!!

 

[mlbuck84]

John- Let me guess! ARMY?

Airforce Rejected Me Yesterday

 

[sbhooper]

This type of hatred is much more troubling to me than the Western haters of the Middle East.
This is coming from the father of a 23 year old Marine that lost both of his legs in an IED attack in Bakwa, Afghanistan.
I have no trouble punishing those responsible, but the killing of innocent people puts you in the same category as those you hate.
I don't care if you spent 20 years fighting over there, the KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
will be the down fall you speak of............

Wa, Wa, Wa. I'll bet you vote for Barry also. Sounds like you need a reality check. Those people are not worth the lives of our soldiers/Marines. I met some that were OK, but most are not worth the dynamite it would take to blow them to hell.

You keep your touchy-feely opinion and I'll keep mine. Until this country wakes up, it is going to keep killing our good people for the sake of those stone age types that do not want to advance.

Nuff said.

 

[spook12]

Wow..........

 

[Solohuntr]

Hitler? Is that you??????

Might not be him but being german born and served the USA for many years including in muslim lands,, we really dont want them here, they are rocks in a melting pot,, they will not blend into our land as long as sharia is theier guide, Fact from anti-terrorism school;
You can not impose a democratic society on any country that is based in a muslim religion. will not,, can not,, work due to sharia teachings. every mosque you see in america is a foreign embassy for them. try to walk into one some time. we need to wake up and stop importing problems and terrorists.

 

[Upland Steve]

Wa, Wa, Wa. I'll bet you vote for Barry also. Sounds like you need a reality check. Those people are not worth the lives of our soldiers/Marines. I met some that were OK, but most are not worth the dynamite it would take to blow them to hell.

You keep your touchy-feely opinion and I'll keep mine. Until this country wakes up, it is going to keep killing our good people for the sake of those stone age types that do not want to advance.

Nuff said.

Here is some reality for ya. You call it touchy - feely, I call it intelligent verse ignorant. Good luck with your train of thought.

 

[noharleyyet]

Good read

Disgrace in Benghazi
By Mark Steyn
September 15, 2012 4:00 A.M.

So, on a highly symbolic date, mobs storm American diplomatic facilities and drag the corpse of a U.S. ambassador through the streets. Then the president flies to Vegas for a fundraiser. No, no, a novelist would say; that’s too pat, too neat in its symbolic contrast. Make it Cleveland, or Des Moines.

The president is surrounded by delirious fanbois and fangurls screaming “We love you,” too drunk on his celebrity to understand this is the first photo-op in the aftermath of a national humiliation. No, no, a filmmaker would say; too crass, too blunt. Make them sober, middle-aged midwesterners, shocked at first, but then quiet and respectful.

The president is too lazy and cocksure to have learned any prepared remarks or mastered the appropriate tone, notwithstanding that a government that spends more money than any government in the history of the planet has ever spent can surely provide him with both a speechwriting team and a quiet corner on his private wide-bodied jet to consider what might be fitting for the occasion. So instead he sloughs off the words, bloodless and unfelt: “And obviously our hearts are broken . . . ” Yeah, it’s totally obvious.

And he’s even more drunk on his celebrity than the fanbois, so in his slapdashery he winds up comparing the sacrifice of a diplomat lynched by a pack of savages with the enthusiasm of his own campaign bobbysoxers. No, no, says the Broadway director; that’s too crude, too ham-fisted. How about the crowd is cheering and distracted, but he’s the president, he understands the gravity of the hour, and he’s the greatest orator of his generation, so he’s thought about what he’s going to say, and it takes a few moments but his words are so moving that they still the cheers of the fanbois, and at the end there’s complete silence and a few muffled sobs, and even in party-town they understand the sacrifice and loss of their compatriots on the other side of the world.

But no, that would be an utterly fantastical America. In the real America, the president is too busy to attend the security briefing on the morning after a national debacle, but he does have time to do Letterman and appear on a hip-hop radio show hosted by “The Pimp with a Limp.” In the real State Department, the U.S. embassy in Cairo is guarded by Marines with no ammunition, but they do enjoy the soft-power muscle of a Foreign Service officer, one Lloyd Schwartz, tweeting frenziedly into cyberspace (including a whole chain directed at my own Twitter handle, for some reason) about how America deplores insensitive people who are so insensitively insensitive that they don’t respectfully respect all religions equally respectfully and sensitively, even as the raging mob is pouring through the gates.

When it comes to a flailing, blundering superpower, I am generally wary of ascribing to malevolence what is more often sheer stupidity and incompetence. For example, we’re told that, because the consulate in Benghazi was designated as an “interim facility,” it did not warrant the level of security and protection that, say, an embassy in Scandinavia would have. This seems all too plausible — that security decisions are made not by individual human judgment but according to whichever rule-book sub-clause at the Federal Agency of Bureaucratic Facilities Regulation it happens to fall under. However, the very next day the embassy in Yemen, which is a permanent facility, was also overrun, as was the embassy in Tunisia the day after. Look, these are tough crowds, as the president might say at Caesar’s Palace. But we spend more money on these joints than anybody else, and they’re as easy to overrun as the Belgian consulate.

As I say, I’m inclined to be generous, and put some of this down to the natural torpor and ineptitude of government. But Hillary Clinton and General Martin Dempsey are guilty of something worse, in the secretary of state’s weirdly obsessive remarks about an obscure film supposedly disrespectful of Mohammed and the chairman of the joint chiefs’ telephone call to a private citizen asking him if he could please ease up on the old Islamophobia.

Forget the free-speech arguments. In this case, as Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey well know, the film has even less to do with anything than did the Danish cartoons or the schoolteacher’s teddy bear or any of the other innumerable grievances of Islam. The 400-strong assault force in Benghazi showed up with RPGs and mortars: That’s not a spontaneous movie protest; that’s an act of war, and better planned and executed than the dying superpower’s response to it. Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey are, to put it mildly, misleading the American people when they suggest otherwise.

One can understand why they might do this, given the fiasco in Libya. The men who organized this attack knew the ambassador would be at the consulate in Benghazi rather than at the embassy in Tripoli. How did that happen? They knew when he had been moved from the consulate to a “safe house,” and switched their attentions accordingly. How did that happen? The United States government lost track of its ambassador for ten hours. How did that happen? Perhaps, when they’ve investigated Mitt Romney’s press release for another three or four weeks, the court eunuchs of the American media might like to look into some of these fascinating questions, instead of leaving the only interesting reporting on an American story to the foreign press.

For whatever reason, Secretary Clinton chose to double down on misleading the American people. “Libyans carried Chris’s body to the hospital,” said Mrs. Clinton. That’s one way of putting it. The photographs at the Arab TV network al-Mayadeen show Chris Stevens’s body being dragged through the streets, while the locals take souvenir photographs on their cell phones. A man in a red striped shirt photographs the dead-eyed ambassador from above; another immediately behind his head moves the splayed arm and holds his cell-phone camera an inch from the ambassador’s nose. Some years ago, I had occasion to assist in moving the body of a dead man: We did not stop to take photographs en route. Even allowing for cultural differences, this looks less like “carrying Chris’s body to the hospital” and more like barbarians gleefully feasting on the spoils of savagery.

In a rare appearance on a non-showbiz outlet, President Obama, winging it on Telemundo, told his host that Egypt was neither an ally nor an enemy. I can understand why it can be difficult to figure out, but here’s an easy way to tell: Bernard Lewis, the great scholar of Islam, said some years ago that America risked being seen as harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend. At the Benghazi consulate, the looters stole “sensitive” papers revealing the names of Libyans who’ve cooperated with the United States. Oh, well. As the president would say, obviously our hearts are with you.

Meanwhile, in Pakistan, the local doctor who fingered bin Laden to the Americans sits in jail. In other words, while America’s clod vice president staggers around pimping limply that only Obama had the guts to take the toughest decision anyone’s ever had to take, the poor schlub who actually did have the guts, who actually took the tough decision in a part of the world where taking tough decisions can get you killed, languishes in a cell because Washington would not lift a finger to help him.

Like I said, no novelist would contrast Chris Stevens on the streets of Benghazi and Barack Obama on stage in Vegas. Too crude, too telling, too devastating.

 

[ismith]

Worked in South Vietnam didnt it? :W::hump:

 

[JoseCuervo]

Disgrace in Benghazi
By Mark Steyn
September 15, 2012 4:00 A.M.

So, on a highly symbolic date, mobs storm American diplomatic facilities and drag the corpse of a U.S. ambassador through the streets. Then the president flies to Vegas for a fundraiser. No, no, a novelist would say; that’s too pat, too neat in its symbolic contrast. Make it Cleveland, or Des Moines.

The president is surrounded by delirious fanbois and fangurls screaming “We love you,” too drunk on his celebrity to understand this is the first photo-op in the aftermath of a national humiliation. No, no, a filmmaker would say; too crass, too blunt. Make them sober, middle-aged midwesterners, shocked at first, but then quiet and respectful.

The president is too lazy and


Blah. Blah. Blah.



Like I said, no novelist would contrast Chris Stevens on the streets of Benghazi and Barack Obama on stage in Vegas. Too crude, too telling, too devastating.

You might look at the pictures in the thread above yous before you post a bunch of inflammatory lies from Mark Steyn.


Just sayin'.

 

[noharleyyet]

Are you 'just saying" I don't respect Upland Steve's post content?

 

[NVLongbow]

Here is some reality for ya. You call it touchy - feely, I call it intelligent verse ignorant. Good luck with your train of thought.

Steve; Thank you and your family.

 

[NVLongbow]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Upland Steve View Post
This type of hatred is much more troubling to me than the Western haters of the Middle East.
This is coming from the father of a 23 year old Marine that lost both of his legs in an IED attack in Bakwa, Afghanistan.
I have no trouble punishing those responsible, but the killing of innocent people puts you in the same category as those you hate.
I don't care if you spent 20 years fighting over there, the KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
will be the down fall you speak of............

Nuff said.

Wa, Wa, Wa. I'll bet you vote for Barry also. Sounds like you need a reality check. Those people are not worth the lives of our soldiers/Marines. I met some that were OK, but most are not worth the dynamite it would take to blow them to hell.

You keep your touchy-feely opinion and I'll keep mine. Until this country wakes up, it is going to keep killing our good people for the sake of those stone age types that do not want to advance.

Nuff said.

sbhooper:

Don't really care about your opinion regarding Muslims, but please show some respect for Steve and his son.

 

[Pagosa]

I have a real problem with the raping and killing of our DOS officials in Libya, and the attack of our embassy in Cairo. We are kidding ourselves if we dont think terrorists are entering this country to plan attacks. I believe we will see a major war in Israel in the next few years and 80% of Muslims involved in the attack will be killed via friendly fire.

 

[Tom]

I'm thinking I need to carry more bullets with me at more places. If they attack our emabassies, the chicken place, its pretty clear they attack us indiscriminantly. Those who attack believe we are all evil, right? They have attacked us here in our own country also. We need to be able to shoot back, if in such a situation, and there are plenty of examples of those situations, it seems.

Steve is right to not kill the inoocent, but if we're attacked, we should shoot back, would you advocate that? The hard part is if there are a bunch of muslims there in front of you and they are on the attack, how do you tell when to stop shooting? I usually only have two clips, you think I need more?

Here is a handy religions map for the US, state by state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/pew-religion-08/flash.htm

 

[RUT JUNKEY]

I hate to even get in on this, but . . . . The problem is we kill a leader and the just replace him with some other nut job. . .its a never ending circle over there. . .they breed terrorism. What we need to do is just leave it alone and let them kill themselves off and quit sending them food and rebuilding stuff for them. . .it is never going to end over there. I'm all for bombing the place into a nice beach resort and just take the damn oil!!! Better yet, bring everyone home and stand them on the border. . .that will be America's down fall from within. . . ( stepping off the soapbox now) Just my view. USA!

 

[ismith]

This thread is a poop sandwich any way you look at it.

 

[idnative1948]

Been there done that!

Worked in South Vietnam didnt it? :W::hump:

 

[Khunter]

The US should pull all of our people out of every one of the Muslim countries, round up and deport every Muslim currently in this country and send them back to wherever they came from, and then reply as Teddy Roosevelt (if he had the capabilities) and Ronald Reagan would............NUKE the FUGGERS off of the face of the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IGNORANT pathetic crap right there. You would have been the first to deport every loyal japanese american back in the day?