Losses at the Forest Service

[Nick87]

I believe in accurate information up front.

Don't we all. When's the last time you got it from a politician? I haven't seen it in my lifetime. That's a serious question btw.

 

[El Jason]

Don't we all. When's the last time you got it from a politician? I haven't seen it in my lifetime. That's a serious question btw.

It’s been a while and I sure am not seeing it now. Hence my earlier statement in regards to amount of trust folks are giving the current group of clowns.

When King Elon uses his iwn social media platform to call for a judge to be impeached, I have to wonder is 1) he that stupid he doesn’t understand how government works or 2) he’s simply creating strife and discourse to advance his political agenda?

And this is the guy who’s going to help our government become more efficient?

 

[Ben Long]

Defund and Decry.

Defund, Decry and Destroy.

 

[rogerthat]

I heard of a couple folks now that had taken the buyout because they were on probation and figured they might get fired if they didn’t take it. They got fired anyway. Hopefully that was a glitch in the database and not standard op.

 

[WesternCO68]

I heard of a couple folks now that had taken the buyout because they were on probation and figured they might get fired if they didn’t take it. They got fired anyway. Hopefully that was a glitch in the database and not standard op.

Yep, we were told that even those who took the buyout were terminated effective immediately.

 

[Bonasababy]

Yep, we were told that even those who took the buyout were terminated effective immediately.

Seems like something tailor made for a class action suit...

 

[SAJ-99]

If you haven't read THE RIGHT STUFF, remedy that ASAP. There's a section called "The Lab Rats Revolt"; the astronauts had finally had enough of useless testing and wanted more control of the program. In the film, the confrontation took the form of "astronaut pilot" instead of "capsule occupant", steering options (which proved vital), and so on.

You know that 3 astronauts died on an Apollo 1 test flight, right?
But yeah, let the PISSED American taxpayer get in this vehicle and light the candle.

I figure it will take 10-15 days for the phone calls to move through the political apparatus. Already calls from Farmers to reaching Congress complaining that USAID bought their goods and they have some questions. I'm sure they will be compensated, again, and you all will never hear about it because you choose not to.

 

[marksjeep]

If you signed the buyout contract, you waived the right to sue.

 

[NR_Hunter]

All we need to do is eliminate private property and things will magically get better. - Karl Marx

All we need to do is eliminate the Jews and things will magically get better. - Adolf Hitler

All we need to do is eliminate the government and things will magically get better. - Americans.

 

[INMT]

I heard of a couple folks now that had taken the buyout because they were on probation and figured they might get fired if they didn’t take it. They got fired anyway. Hopefully that was a glitch in the database and not standard op.

I’ve also heard that. They were told the buyout doesn’t apply to them because they were terminated.

 

[El Jason]

If you signed the buyout contract, you waived the right to sue.

I don’t think that would universally apply though.

If you signed the buyout contract, then have buyers remorse you wouldn’t be able to join a lawsuit after the fact.

However, if you signed the buyout contract as it was presented, were then terminated after you agreed to the terms, I fully believe one would have standing for a lawsuit. The contract was presented and signed in good faith, and then reneged upon. Therefore, the terms of the contract the employee agreed to would likely be null and void.

I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough. I can’t imagine being in that situation. What a circus.

 

[SAJ-99]

Oh there is. Social security is the easy button. But itll never get reformed to either slash spending (increase age, means testing, decrease payouts) or increase revenues (remove cap, increase rate).

SS fixes itself in about 8 years with 25% cuts for all.

I can't wait for them to get to Medicaid with the chainsaw. Something that could have used some bipartisan cuts is going to reveal some revealing things about the demographics of specific voting groups.

 

[Deleted member 13457]

That is one of the many downsides of a union. Public service unions do not serve the public well.

This.
In this deal, like most when unions are involved, my bet is that most of these that got axed are actually motivated and hard-working. The unions always manage to protect the lazy slobs who spend decades, hiding out and doing nothing all the while, getting a fat contribution to their pension And pulling down above average salary.

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

Oh there is. Social security is the easy button. But itll never get reformed to either slash spending (increase age, means testing, decrease payouts) or increase revenues (remove cap, increase rate).

Whats happening with the FS sucks. I dont disagree with the mission of cutting spending, but focusing on the govt employment as a cost thats important is like cutting an occasional soda out of your budget when you have a high interest payment on a platinum superduty.

Exactly. The non- discretionary and non- defense budget is like 25% of expenditures. Medicare and social security is where the meat is at.

 

[Treeshark]

If you signed the buyout contract, then have buyers remorse you wouldn’t be able to join a lawsuit after the fact.

I’m not so sure that anything involving signing this “contract” is black and white. One could argue they signed under duress, and I have a feeling this will be tied up in court until the cows come home.

 

[marksjeep]

I don’t think that would universally apply though.

If you signed the buyout contract, then have buyers remorse you wouldn’t be able to join a lawsuit after the fact.

However, if you signed the buyout contract as it was presented, were then terminated after you agreed to the terms, I fully believe one would have standing for a lawsuit. The contract was presented and signed in good faith, and then reneged upon. Therefore, the terms of the contract the employee agreed to would likely be null and void.

I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough. I can’t imagine being in that situation. What a circus.

Agree completely. But I also wouldn't put it past opm to try and pull one over on the folks that signed it in good faith and were subsequently fired. Its a clown show.

 

[Hunting Wife]

If you signed the buyout contract, you waived the right to sue.

No one has signed the contract. They haven’t come out yet.

 

[marksjeep]

Fair point. We had copies of the contract a few weeks ago, but they have not been executed by anyone. That certainly leaves folks who replied "resign" and were subsequently terminated before executing the contract in a pickle. Clown show.

 

[Nick87]

like most when unions are involved, my bet is that most of these that got axed are actually motivated and hard-working. The unions always manage to protect the lazy slobs who spend decades, hiding out

Please share your experiences with this.

 

[El Jason]

Fair point. We had copies of the contract a few weeks ago, but they have not been executed by anyone. That certainly leaves folks who replied "resign" and were subsequently terminated before executing the contract in a pickle. Clown show.

I’ll be shocked if the courts don’t find in favor of the employees.