Gun owners upset at Bush on environment

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And Howard Dean has been endorsed by the NRA!!!!!!

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Gun owners upset at Bush on environment

By Todd Wilkinson
The Christian Science Monitor



As Jimmie Rosenbruch stalked mountain goats in southeast Alaska last month, the Utah sportsman and master hunting guide toted more than a rifle.
The burly, lifelong Republican and acquaintance of the first President Bush also carried personal displeasure over the natural-resource agenda of Bush's son.

In particular, Rosenbruch and a groundswell of other gun owners from the lower 48 are challenging the Bush administration's plan to undo protection of Alaska's Tongass and Chugach national forests by opening both to increased logging and road construction.

For the current president, who relied upon unwavering support from the so-called "hook and bullet" crowd to win in 2000, the kind of public criticism now voiced by political conservatives such as Rosenbruch represents a potential problem in 2004, observers say.

According to a report from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, hunters and anglers are a formidable force not only in what they spend, but also in the political power they wield. More than 34 million Americans older than 16 fish annually; 13 million hunt.

Many analysts think most of these people are Republican and supportive of President Bush. But a growing vocal minority now is taking a stand against such issues as the weakening of water-protection standards in fishable waterways and proposals to drill for oil in what have been off-limits areas. These people want a clean, healthy environment, and they believe Bush is straying too far from this principle.

Perhaps no example is more striking than a recent petition signed by hundreds of gun clubs — on behalf of untold thousands of members — telling Forest Service chief Dale Bosworth to keep in place Clinton-era protection of old-growth forests, two-thirds of which lie in Alaska.

"The response took me by surprise, especially in Texas," said Greg Petrich, the petition organizer, who is also a registered Alaska Republican and former commercial fisherman.

When Petrich began circulating the petition in October, he modestly hoped to enlist 100 gun clubs in the lower 48. But the response has been so overwhelming that he now believes he will have 500 organizations signed up by the end of the year. The list includes the Allegheny Country Rifle Club of Pittsburgh (oldest gun club in the United States), 49 combat handgun clubs and 40 shooting groups in Bush's home state of Texas.

In addition, conservation organizations such as Trout Unlimited, with its large membership of suburban "country club" Republicans who love to fly-fish, have questioned the Bush administration's opening of pristine public lands to natural-resource development.

Opinion polls have made the Bush administration well aware that its handling of the environment holds resonance as a serious domestic campaign issue. And analysts see the millions of suburban sport shooters and rural hunters — traditionally the core of the National Rifle Association (NRA) membership — as representing an important swing vote.






One of those joining Petrich's campaign is Carl Rosier, a state game and fish commissioner.

Reached in Juneau, Rosier explained that proposed oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — which he supports — is the battle front that most Americans associate with Alaska. But the Bush administration's efforts to restore publicly subsidized logging of Alaska rain forest also will be a green lightning rod.

"You've got a bunch of timber beasts (former timber-industry lobbyists) setting environmental policy in Alaska, and that's wrong," Rosier said. "In three years, we've witnessed a 180-degree swing from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush."

Yet many backers of Bush believe he has nothing to fear. The NRA doesn't see a large number of gun owners turning against Bush. "Without a doubt, he has the strongest support among NRA members of any modern president," said J.P. Nelson, the NRA's Western field director. "We were mobilized in the last election, and we will be again."


Copyright © 2003 The Seattle Times Company

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The NRA might get surprised on this one if Dean runs against Bush. Dean never would have survived in Vermont if he wasn't pro-gun.

Dean Walks the Line on Gun Control
by Sam Hemingway; Staff
The Burlington Free Press (VT); News; A1
Category: News Center
September 28, 2003

Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean has a ready
answer for voters who think his opposition to the Iraq war and
support for homosexual rights make him an ultra-liberal.
"I've been endorsed by the National Rifle Association," Dean
tells audiences at almost every stop, referring to NRA's support
of him when he was Vermont's governor for 11 years.
That statement is true, but an examination of Dean's record
on gun issues in Vermont suggests his relationship with the NRA
in his home state has been more platonic than passionate.
When issues of concern to the NRA came up in Vermont how to
perform background checks on gun purchases and whether to ban
guns on school grounds Dean took positions amenable to the NRA
but did so without fanfare.
"He was not really someone who came out strong for gun
owners," said state Rep. Robert Helm, R-Castleton, chairman the
House Fish and Wildlife Committee during part of Dean's
gubernatorial tenure. "He just let the gun people take care of
their own issues."
As for the NRA, state campaign finance records show that the
NRA never followed up its endorsement of Dean with a donation to
any of his five re-election campaigns.
From the NRA's perspective, gun control isn't a hot-button
issue in Vermont, a state where hunters are numerous but violent
crime is scarce, at least by national standards.
Plus, Vermont's relaxed gun laws a person can carry a
loaded, concealed weapon through downtown Burlington without a
permit were already in place in Vermont before Dean became
governor. Rural vs. urban
Dean's laid-back approach won't work if he becomes
president. Federal gun legislation is perennially contentious.
There is ongoing debate in Congress over how to close the
so-called gun-show loophole on background checks and whether the
gun industry should be declared immune from lawsuits filed by
gun violence victims.
On the stump, Dean has voiced his support for the Brady bill
requiring background checks for gun purchases and the
reauthorization of the assault weapons ban. He adds that no more
federal gun-control laws are needed.
"I'm from a rural state and I understand that the gun issue
in rural states is different than the gun issue in urban
states," Dean said in Iowa in July. "My attitude is let
California and New York have as much gun control as they want,
but just don't make a law that applies equally to Vermont and
Wyoming and Montana."
Dean does oppose the legislation that would make the gun
industry immune from victims' lawsuits, according to Ron Weich,
a senior policy analyst for the Dean campaign.
NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre said it's mixed messages
like that that make him uneasy about Dean. He acknowledged Dean
seems more in line with NRA policy than, say U.S. Sens. Joe
Lieberman, D-Conn., and John Kerry, D-Mass.
"It looks to me like he's trying to walk it right down the
middle," he said of Dean. "He's trying to give everybody
something. It's why I say he's sort of schizophrenic on gun
issues." Vermont record
Dean's unwillingness to push gun-control measures as
governor was based on two factors the state's low crime rate and
a respect for the state's gun lobby.
In the last five years of Dean's tenure, Vermont had just 53
homicides and guns were involved in less than half of them.
Nationally, guns are involved in two-thirds of all homicides.
Dean got a lesson in the power of the NRA the year before he
became governor. Then-U.S. Rep. Peter Smith, R-Vt., a one-term
House member, lost his seat in 1990 after the NRA waged a
vigorous campaign to defeat him. Smith had switched positions on
a gun-control bill before Congress.
When he became governor, Dean signaled to gun owners that
his policy on guns would aim at punishing the person who
committed a crime rather than the weapon used to commit it.
"It was an excellent approach," said Evan Hughes of Barre,
an officer with the Vermont Federation of Sportsman's Clubs and
an NRA member. "We were very pleased with that position." After
Columbine
While Dean backed various get-tough-on-crime bills in the
Legislature, he took a hands-off position on most gun bills.
During his 11 years in office, only three of 29 gun-related
bills became law.
The one time Dean did get involved with gun legislation came
in 2000. In the aftermath of the Columbine High School shootings
in Colorado, the Legislature was considering a bill to make it a
crime to have a gun on school grounds, no matter what the
reason.
The wording was eventually changed so that gun possession in
such instances was only a crime if the gun was discovered inside
the school or on a school bus, or the person was carrying it on
school grounds with the intent of harming another person.
"Howard helped make that happen," said former state Sen.
Peter Shumlin, D-Windham, the Senate majority leader at the
time.
Shumlin said Dean and he worked out the language change
together, at the urging of NRA lobbyists.
Helm said his recollection of the revision was slightly
different. "Howard was forced to take a position on that," Helm
said.
"He just does that stuff to get votes," said David Pidgeon
of Pidgeon's Gun Shop in New Haven. "He's not really
trustworthy."
Former state Rep. Henry Holmes, R-Bethel, gave Dean credit
for actively supporting his plan to establish a youth hunting
day, and later a youth hunting weekend in Vermont. Holmes is
president of the Vermont Federation of Sportsman's Clubs, the
NRA's state affiliate.
Dean's support for that measure earned him a visit from the
NRA gun-education mascot, Eddie Eagle.
Dean's NRA support paid him other dividends. When he was
under fire from some sportsmen for supporting plans for an
ecological reserve on newly acquired state lands in the
Northeast Kingdom, the so-called Champion land deal, the NRA
made it known it supported the measure.
"If it was just on gun issues only, I'd probably vote for
Howard Dean for president," said Holmes, a conservative
Republican. The national stage
The Dean campaign's strategy of promoting his NRA
credentials has its risks. Democrats are traditionally
gun-control advocates, and his NRA support may cause some
party-line voters to abandon him and support another candidate.
"The liberal elite in the Democratic Party almost demands
that Democratic candidates recite the gun-control mantra,"
LaPierre said.
The upside of having had NRA support in the past is that it
demonstrates Dean isn't a slave to a single ideology. The NRA
has 4.2 million members and is not shy about advising gun owners
on how to vote when it counts. It has made no endorsement in the
2004 presidential race.
"If Al Gore had my position on guns, I wouldn't be here and
he'd be in the White House," Dean said in an interview earlier
this year.
LaPierre agreed, saying Gore's gun-control stance in the
2000 cost him presidency by causing him to lose Arkansas, West
Virginia and his home state of Tennessee.
Many of those deciding votes belonged to people who were
also union members, a constituency Dean is trying desperately to
reach. LaPierre said Dean was smart to understand the
connection.
"It's been proven again and again and again that union
members will vote against a candidate who is anti-Second
Amendment," LaPierre said.
Contact Sam Hemingway at 660-1850 or
[email protected]
 
I'll vote for Dean over Bush any day. At least with Dean in the Whitehouse our last best hunting grounds will have a chance. Here on the Front Range in Northern Montana the US is about to lose the most wild and majestic place left in the lower 48! And you can blame Bush! I'm getting out the Bushes' for good!
 
Bush is apparently trying to regain the favor of the outdoorsy types. He recently invited "conservation leaders" to the White House for a meeting (over an hour long!
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). From the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The president talked candidly about the threats facing America’s outdoor heritage while also recognizing sportsmen’s important role in conservation programs across the country. He also expressed appreciation for the conservation community’s support of the Healthy Forest Restoration Act and the Farm Bill.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.wlfa.org/interactive/features/Read.cfm?ID=1199
 
Santa is really disappointed with politics this term; expecially the "nine pack" of Democrat weasels! Speaking of weasels, anyone seen Gore lately? If Santa sees any more pandering to glean votes from socioeconomic groups Santa is going to puke and then file prostitution charges on both parties. Anyone who votes for Dean is a communist!
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I get a kick out of all of you guys who think cuz the NRA gave dean a +rating that your in good shape if you own firearms.

At the end of the day your rights will be decided by a court and not the president. Do you think Dean will appoint pro gun judges. If you do your nuts.
 
I don't know if I'd agree with the title of that article(Gun owners upset at Bush on environment.) I doubt if that is true at all, because I am sure there are many gun owners who don't give a damn about the environment, especially gun owners who don't hunt, and as hard as it is to believe, there really are many hunters who really don't care about the environment. I know because I've known/talked to many hunters who couldn't care less about the environment. But hopefully there are enough people who are smart enough to see that Bush is not a friend to the environment and therefore not a friend to sportsmen, and Bush's ass will be out of there.
 
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