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Gr8bawana said:
There is one person in Beatty NV which has tested positive. Population 1010, now that's pretty rural. They still have not disclosed where he may have contracted it. So unless rural towns completely close themselves off they are still at risk.
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The only time there might be a 1000 people in Froid is the night before pheasant season opens. It is under 200 people under normal circumstances. Just proves you can never be certain.
 
LWC55 said:
What medical treatments are the US and Germany using to keep their death rates lower than some other countries?
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When I WE was referring the the United States, I should have been more clear on that as cant speak for Germany as I don't have any first information to draw on. What is keeping our rate down just from my perspective is a relatively low hospital occupation level (percent based), and our current ability to shift patients to areas that have a lower case load. Again my opinion only, that is happening because of relatively low infection/cases per million. However just in my area that is changing rapidly, as we no longer have the surplus resources we had even 5 days ago, and I expect to see things continue to deteriorate.
All that is long winded way of saying despite our shortcomings we are still better equipped from a financial and a resource perspective than a lot of places.

And just like in other countries the healthcare workers, Dr's, Rn's and all the hospital staff have stepped to the plate to fill additional shifts for the continuation of patent care. Same can be said for our EMS staff and police departments, both are responding to calls with an increase of uncertainty that hasn't been never seen before. Lots of people selflessly putting themselves out there in more ways then I can list. If nothing else we should all come away from this with reinvigorated sense of our commonality as humans.
 
Trial153 said:
When I WE was referring the the United States, I should have been more clear on that as cant speak for Germany as I don't have any first information to draw on. What is keeping our rate down just from my perspective is a relatively low hospital occupation level (percent based), and our current ability to shift patients to areas that have a lower case load. Again my opinion only, that is happening because of relatively low infection/cases per million. However just in my area that is changing rapidly, as we no longer have the surplus resources we had even 5 days ago, and I expect to see things continue to deteriorate.
All that is long winded way of saying despite our shortcomings we are still better equipped from a financial and a resource perspective than a lot of places.

And just like in other countries the healthcare workers, Dr's, Rn's and all the hospital staff have stepped to the plate to fill additional shifts for the continuation of patent care. Same can be said for our EMS staff and police departments, both are responding to calls with an increase of uncertainty that hasn't been never seen before. Lots of people selflessly putting themselves out there in more ways then I can list. If nothing else we should all come away from this with reinvigorated sense of our commonality as humans.
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If masks are really that short in supply I hope they are saving them now and finding a way to disinfect so if in worst case scenario reuse the rather than go without. In the press meeting today Trump or his team were talking about disinfecting them. THAT ALONE scares me as it is all the proof anyone needs that the need for more is real and urgent. On another note, Trump or one of his team asked if any businesses find any stashed someplace that they can take them to a hospital and they will gladly take them.
 
schmalts said:
If masks are really that short in supply I hope they are saving them now and finding a way to disinfect so if in worst case scenario reuse the rather than go without. In the press meeting today Trump or his team were talking about disinfecting them. THAT ALONE scares me as it is all the proof anyone needs that the need for more is real and urgent. On another note, Trump or one of his team asked if any businesses find any stashed someplace that they can take them to a hospital and they will gladly take them.
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Short supply. Thats an understatement
 
schmalts said:
If masks are really that short in supply I hope they are saving them now and finding a way to disinfect so if in worst case scenario reuse the rather than go without. In the press meeting today Trump or his team were talking about disinfecting them. THAT ALONE scares me as it is all the proof anyone needs that the need for more is real and urgent. On another note, Trump or one of his team asked if any businesses find any stashed someplace that they can take them to a hospital and they will gladly take them.
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We just had a deal on the local news that a local manufacturing company of some kind donated a pallet of masks to the local hospital. Thought that was pretty cool.
 
Trial153 said:
When I WE was referring the the United States, I should have been more clear on that as cant speak for Germany as I don't have any first information to draw on. What is keeping our rate down just from my perspective is a relatively low hospital occupation level (percent based), and our current ability to shift patients to areas that have a lower case load. Again my opinion only, that is happening because of relatively low infection/cases per million. However just in my area that is changing rapidly, as we no longer have the surplus resources we had even 5 days ago, and I expect to see things continue to deteriorate.
All that is long winded way of saying despite our shortcomings we are still better equipped from a financial and a resource perspective than a lot of places.

And just like in other countries the healthcare workers, Dr's, Rn's and all the hospital staff have stepped to the plate to fill additional shifts for the continuation of patent care. Same can be said for our EMS staff and police departments, both are responding to calls with an increase of uncertainty that hasn't been never seen before. Lots of people selflessly putting themselves out there in more ways then I can list. If nothing else we should all come away from this with reinvigorated sense of our commonality as humans.
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Looking at the critical case number, I would say that the primary reason we don’t have as many deaths is that we aren’t as far along in our timeline as a lot of other countries more than our better medical care. On Worldometer, the number of critical cases in the US probably wouldn’t overwhelm even a less equipped healthcare system. The good news of course, is that we are probably more prepared, or at least more capable of handling a large healthcare burden, than most other countries.

I think the mask issue is primarily based on the fact that one of our big suppliers was the first country hit, then the rest of the world soaked up the inventory. Just a guess. The last guy to run out of tp this month(me) is SOL, but it would be hard to make the argument that I was any less prepared for a tp shortage than my neighbors.
 
ImBillT said:
Looking at the critical case number, I would say that the primary reason we don’t have as many deaths is that we aren’t as far along in our timeline as a lot of other countries more than our better medical care. On Worldometer, the number of critical cases in the US probably wouldn’t overwhelm even a less equipped healthcare system. The good news of course, is that we are probably more prepared, or at least more capable of handling a large healthcare burden, than most other countries.

I think the mask issue is primarily based on the fact that one of our big suppliers was the first country hit, then the rest of the world soaked up the inventory. Just a guess. The last guy to run out of tp this month(me) is SOL, but it would be hard to make the argument that I was any less prepared for a tp shortage than my neighbors.
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Keeping in mind that cases dont start out critical. Its a progression that can be mitigated with treatment, albeit imperfect. Resorces and allocation can prevent some of that progresion. Hence the reason to a spread out the curve as much as possible. Our best line defense in a pandemic with a high R0 and low mortality rate is triage and allocation of care and resources.
 
I’ve been thinking about that too, Trial- I hope there is come validity to the claims that warm humid climates slow it down, many of the “third world” countries tend to be in those types of areas.
 
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Trial153 said:
So far this has been a first world Disease because of its spread via travel. Unless there is currently unknow mitigateing factors, this is going to hit the thrird world the hardest. It make take a year to get there but when it does ..its not going to be pretty.
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This is definitely conjecture, but some of the early countries to be hit arent exactly first world, and aren’t taking it as hard as much of Europe is. It wouldn’t surprise if third world countries have a lower percentage of cases get critical. Many of those that land in the high risk categories are probably already dead of some other cause in those countries.

The life expectancy of a country might be a good metric for that. If someone with some manner of heart or lung disease, or something else would have killed you in a third world country, but we can give you decent quality of life for another 20+ yrs here, then we probably have a lot more people that are at high risk.

I spent a week in Nicaragua. It only took a day to determine that NO ONE with a weak immune system reproduces there.
 
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The apparent rates and severity of infection in health care workers, isn’t a mystery to them. I would argue that our most valuable resource in the fight against this virus is our healthcare workers. Without them the system collapses.

www.google.com

'This system is doomed’: Doctors, nurses sound off in NBC News coronavirus survey

More than 250 health care workers responded to a social media survey seeking first-person accounts from those on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic.
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Testing is still broken. We just don’t seem particularly nimble.

thedispatch.com

Timeline: The Regulations—and Regulators—That Delayed Coronavirus Testing

There have been three major regulatory barriers so far.
thedispatch.com thedispatch.com
 
ImBillT said:
This is definitely conjecture, but some of the early countries to be hit arent exactly first world, and aren’t taking it as hard as much of Europe is. It wouldn’t surprise if third world countries have a lower percentage of cases get critical. Many of those that land in the high risk categories are probably already dead of some other cause in those countries.

The life expectancy of a country might be a good metric for that. If someone with some manner of heart or lung disease, or something else would have killed you in a third world country, but we can give you decent quality of life for another 20+ yrs here, then we probably have a lot more people that are at high risk.

I spent a week in Nicaragua. It only took a day to determine that NO ONE with a weak immune system reproduces there.
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I hope to be proven wrong. However in graphical or table form they are showing similar tends as the 20 most infected countries, with estimates pointing to be 45-90 days lag behind.
As to preexisting dispositions for mortality, thats a whole different can of worms. I would argue that its just as much conjuring is taking place to think a lack of them would would off set the lack access to modern health care in the treatment of this disease.
Most likely the R0 had the most implication based on the populations inherent mobility and socal norms, ie the most critical variable.
 
Trial153 said:
So far this has been a first world Disease because of its spread via travel. Unless there is currently unknow mitigateing factors, this is going to hit the thrird world the hardest. It make take a year to get there but when it does ..its not going to be pretty.
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Current news indicate it's gone from the U.S. to MEX by way of Vail, CO. Not sure the people of Mex that own 1/2 of Vail can be considered 3rd world, but much of MEX is.

www.vaildaily.com

Mexican visitors to Vail suspected of taking coronavirus home with them

A group of about 400 Mexicans who visited Vail during the Burton U.S. Open Snowboarding Championships in late February are suspected of taking coronavirus with them when they returned home. According to reports from Bloomberg...
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