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Biden vs Gun Owners

So I don’t think it’s civil war rhetoric or absolutism. I probably should of not deleted what I typed in my first post. It might of explained my point of view better.

Anyway,
Ask your buddy if he (with a exemption that you eluded to before) would come to your house to enforce some type of federal weapons law. That now applies to you but not to him even though you were both at the range last weekend shooting together.

There is no way enough of the Military or Leo’s would say yes to make a difference. The ones that would follow it would be at half strength at best given our current political conditions.

The military and Leo systems would be in dismay with all the legal issues that more than 1/2 the force’s newly found conscientious objectors. I use 1/2 on the low side. With other crimes not slowing down any it would effectively shut down any plan. My point is that there is no way Biden’s administration is going to be successful at any meaningful gun control IAW his campaign rhetoric.

I was referring to the broader 2A topic on some points, not sticking directly to solely “would they enforce”.

But I agree in 2021 they aren’t coming for our guns. They don’t have sufficient political social support for that (and frankly outside of rallying votes and donations don’t think he even cares about this issue that much).
 
Two things.

First, whenever someone finds themselves typing, "I cannot for the life of me understand . . . " in regards to ANY topic, I suggest the person stop typing and start listening and learning.

I stand by my thoughts , I didn’t call anyone out or call anyone names I just don’t understand the lack of empathy from fellow gun owners.

If you really believe we should partner in this fight, then it means you need to understand that we have to find our own alignment first - and that may take a little give and take.

In my opinion the alignment is first the 2 nd amendment and secondly our love of firearms. The second part of the amendment tells us a clear point on what our founding fathers were trying to guarantee “ the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed “ VG you are complicating a very basic amendment and it’s not hard to find the many quotes and letters of the writers of the constitution to understand what their intentions were. Problem is that many out there want to cloud the issue so we may start a conversation to dilute our right to own the weapons we want. Maybe your playing the devils advocate or you may believe there is a limit to the right afforded to usby the 2nd amendment I however do not want more gun laws. There have been 28,000 to date , what good have they done?

The point I’m trying to make is let’s protect our rights together , empathize with the black gun fans and understand they enjoy their sport as much as we do! We are all gun owners and we are the most responsible people in the country as a group. We have very few accidents we care about our fellow gunpowder/hunters not to put them at risk. I’m not scared of guns or legal ownership, I’m not even scared of criminals but I’m terrified of those in Washington making laws to ban or restrict legal guns they have no knowledge of because it’s fashionable to do so.6 million new guns were purchased in January of this year I’ll bet more than half were AR’s and handguns ! AR -15’s have made up 60% of gun sales in the past several years. They have been used in only 3% of long gun murders.Not all murders but long gun murder ! I don’t own these guns , I’m much more traditional and my guns are for sporting purposes but I support those who have different tastes .
 
In my opinion the alignment is first the 2 nd amendment and secondly our love of firearms. The second part of the amendment tells us a clear point on what our founding fathers were trying to guarantee “ the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed “ VG you are complicating a very basic amendment and it’s not hard to find the many quotes and letters of the writers of the constitution to understand what their intentions were.
It is not hard to find things that support your view, but there are others that do not. It's called confirmation bias. It is not clouding for trickery, it is actually developing a deep understanding of a complex issue even when it might not all suit your preference. As for what the 2A means, I will place more merit on Anthony Scalia's reading than yours, sorry but when you can match his resume and have a vote on SCOTUS I will re-weigh. I don't know how this nation can survive if every person gets to have their own personal reading of the constitution.
 
It is not hard to find things that support your view, but there are others that do not. It's called confirmation bias. It is not clouding for trickery, it is actually developing a deep understanding of a complex issue even when it might not all suit your preference. As for what the 2A means, I will place more merit on Anthony Scalia's reading than yours, sorry but when you can match his resume and have a vote on SCOTUS I will re-weigh. I don't know how this nation can survive if every person gets to have their own personal reading of the constitution.
Every person is entitled to their own reading of the constitution and we may expand our knowledge by digging in to what the forefathers were saying and the true meaning of the amendment. You or no one else will stop me from searching for the truth and because I do not buy into the premise someone needs to explain it to me. When SCOTUS rules on Constitutional issues by interpreting the constitution alone without prior rulings or precedent then I will leave my confidence in the courts hands. I do think that Anthony Scalia is a brilliant man and his work in the court is exceptional. We do agree on one point his resume is much more impressive than mine.
 
When SCOTUS rules on Constitutional issues by interpreting the constitution alone without prior rulings or precedent then I will leave my confidence in the courts hands.
I am genuinely curious what you mean by this. The founding fathers specifically and unambiguously expected the courts to continue the English system of common law. Its entire foundation is built on prior rulings. Are you suggesting that every year every new judge gets to re-determine what every word in every law and regulation means to their own personal liking? I have to believe I am missing something, as that obviously doesn't work for a form of government.
 
I am genuinely curious what you mean by this. The founding fathers specifically and unambiguously expected the courts to continue the English system of common law. Its entire foundation is built on prior rulings. Are you suggesting that every year every new judge gets to re-determine what every word in every law and regulation means to their own personal liking? I have to believe I am missing something, as that obviously doesn't work for a form of government.
I love the way you manipulate the conversation , you understand what I mean and it has nothing to do with the point of law. Law and Constitution are completely different arenas !
 
I love the way you manipulate the conversation , you understand what I mean and it has nothing to do with the point of law. Law and Constitution are completely different arenas !
I am not trying to manipulate, I am curious. From a legal perspective, laws and constitutions are different, but not entirely so - lots of interpretation overlap between the two. So, let me rephrase.

Are you suggesting that every year every new judge gets to re-determine what every word in every portion of the constitution means to their own personal liking?
 
Vikingsguy,

How in the hell can you bill your clients for billable hours when you are on here all the time.

I agree with most of your arguments, but you might want to gear it back.

Probably an overstep, but a honest thought.
I appreciate his time and insight on here. What he does with his time is his business.
 
Vikingsguy,

How in the hell can you bill your clients for billable hours when you are on here all the time.

I agree with most of your arguments, but you might want to gear it back.

Probably an overstep, but a honest thought.
I run hot and cold on my HT time. The last few days have been on the hot side. As for billable hours, gave that up years ago.
 
Is it illegal for a an unlicensed person to possess and operate an unregistered vehicle on private property in MN? I've assumed this only extended to motor vehicles in a public right of way. Is discharging a firearm from in or across a right of way illegal in MN?

If you've already addressed this in this thread, and I've missed it, my apologies.
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Is it illegal for a an unlicensed person to possess and operate an unregistered vehicle on private property in MN? I've assumed this only extended to motor vehicles in a public right of way. Is discharging a firearm from in or across a right of way illegal in MN?

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If you never had a license, driving on private property is not prohibited, but if you had a license but was then revoked or suspended or you otherwise have been disqualified from getting a license then you can't drive even on private. No firearm or bow from or across an "improved public road" + there are rules about within 100 feet of a house, etc - it gets more detailed than I am willing to get into on this thread.
 
I run hot and cold on my HT time. The last few days have been on the hot side. As for billable hours, gave that up years ago.

I appreciate your comments, but you overwhelm a thread.

I mostly agree.

But a concise comment would be more inciteful!

Apparently, I cannot copy and paste,
the first paragraph is VikingsGuy.

First comment is negative; so apparently overstepped.

I still believe more concise comments would be more effective.

I am still a fan!
 
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The NRA has been crushing it lately. Their history is glowing and clean and clear. Gun violence isn’t a problem in America either. We only had 4.43 deaths per 100,000 by guns in 2017. I mean come on, Romania sucks! They took second with .08 deaths! We da best!!! As a teacher, I teach fire drills and shooter drills, and you no longer run out on a fire drill. You wait for confirmation of a fire because it might be bait. It’s awesome. There are no problems here.
 
The NRA has been crushing it lately. Their history is glowing and clean and clear. Gun violence isn’t a problem in America either. We only had 4.43 deaths per 100,000 by guns in 2017. I mean come on, Romania sucks! They took second with .08 deaths! We da best!!! As a teacher, I teach fire drills and shooter drills, and you no longer run out on a fire drill. You wait for confirmation of a fire because it might be bait. It’s awesome. There are no problems here.
Even Bloomberg's Every Town has called for an end to active shooter drills as being pointless and causing unnecessary anxiety in light of the actual risk.

 
Even Bloomberg's Every Town has called for an end to active shooter drills as being pointless and causing unnecessary anxiety in light of the actual risk.


Yep, the teachers at my school work hard to make it low stress and focused on empowering students. However, these required drills are required in my district.

What are we going to do? Bright side of Covid? We’ve seen a real dip in school shootings...
 
I appreciate VGuy’s generosity. On any given thread we are receiving thousands of dollars worth of free briefs. I’ve almost matriculated a free online Minnesota law license.

...and besides my lawyer, he’s one of the only attorneys I almost like. 😊
 
I am not trying to manipulate, I am curious. From a legal perspective, laws and constitutions are different, but not entirely so - lots of interpretation overlap between the two. So, let me rephrase.

Are you suggesting that every year every new judge gets to re-determine what every word in every portion of the constitution means to their own personal liking?
No I am not suggesting that all but to some degree isn’t that what happens. In every post you are making an argument , I must say it is thought provoking and enjoyable to read. So let me rephrase .

The 2nd amendment is clear as it is written , Congress and SCOTUS should be bound by its words.

Getting back to the thread, I realize there is need for gun laws but I would love to see laws made that pay attention to statistics and real common sense not reactionary politicking ! Last night I saw the AR-15 is responsible for 2% of murders in this country. Gun control is a emotional subject and it brings out the worst on both ends of the spectrum . The cold dead hands group to I hate guns and I don’t care about rights! When we actually have real information presented or just have a couple Democrats acknowledge this is a witch hunt and will not say lives just remove rights from lawful citizens . Then and only the will I have faith in this administration and I’m not holding my breath . Come on does anyone here want Nancy Pelosi involved in deciding our right to have firearms.
 
Because anybody who disagrees with you lacks logic and a grasp on reality - good luck with that approach to persuading others. I don't think hand grenades should be legal, I think there is no reason not to subject private sales to simple background checks, I think open carry of locked and loaded ARs at the supermarket is bad policy. Does that make me irrational, over-emotional and a false thinker?
“Good luck with that approach to persuading others”. Persuading others to do what ? My response was simply to Pmacc’s posting that he did not see the sense of restricting law abiding gun owners from owning legal firearms to stop crime. But you omitted that part and only entered my answer, which out of context gave a different concept. There was no attempt to persuade, nor was there any disagreement with anyone.
 
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