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How many artists or writers were famous in their lifetimes. You will be dead long before that statement can be proven true or false.
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How many artists or writers were famous in their lifetimes. You will be dead long before that statement can be proven true or false.
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One of the big thoughts about things like addiction is lack of bonding. This is a real interesting article about how human connection can have a real positive affect on curbing drug addiction. I think it has its implications with some of these people involved in mass shootings as well. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936
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I think you are absolutely right. Here is a quote from the quote @Jess posted, definitely worth a read.
"We have created human societies where it is easier for people to become cut off from all human connections than ever before."
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I graduated high school a decade ago. The social isolation, bullying, and pressure was intense back then. I can't imagine what it would be like today. It's little wonder the shooters tend to be late teens/early twenties.
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Did the definition of "mass" change at all?
BrentD
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I don't think so. It requires 4 fatalities (not the shooter) as I recall.
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Apologize if this link was already posted.
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I don't need a bar graph to tell me that a mass shooting(s) occurred under the AWB nor am I concerned with whatever point you're trying to make with numbers from who knows what source. The simple fact is, violence is going to occur outside of any legislation by whatever means the evil coward/zealot finds necessary and is capable of using. Guns don't matter. Gun control is a foolish knee jerk reaction to an extremely complex societal dilemma. Thank God I was born in a free republic and may God and what's left of our republic help keep it that way.
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Point was that it was after the ban expired shootings seemed to increase, but lots of things changed since 04': smart phones, internet, etc etc.
So there's correlation but you can't really say the ban being removed was the cause of the increase.
Data source with the raw data, the graph was posted on WP with the link.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...nhW-ev_dABH83M5Vb5L8o/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0
LuketheDog
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Why would I care what anyone from those places has to say about it? Their countries are by and large either socialist, extremely corrupt, or plain dictatorships...and there's a reason for that-none of them had a 2nd Amendment.
After the ban, was the increase in mass shootings by "assualt rifles" only or all weapons? Most mass shootings are not done with AR's.
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Other food for thought: assuming all hoped for gun control measure were taken in the next 5 years. If in this instance we still maintain the 2nd amendment as a right to own firearms, how do you manage 320+ million individual's right to own said firearm? Without a registry of owners, violations of control laws would pile up like speeding tickets. The U.S. court system is already working beyond capacity as it is, let alone throwing in thousands of new offenders and criminal cases each year due to gun control violations. People complain that weed offenders are pointlessly bogging down the system... can you imagine how many John Does would end up in the same situation because they've still got a 30rd pmag?
The only conceivable way to maintain the right to own any firearm at all and not have a staggering affect on the judicial and corrections system would be a comprehensive list of where every gun in America is, and who owns it. You won't get enough accurate information on that list to justify the man power needed to enforce it, so the budget to enforce it wouldn't pass, etc. Rinse and repeat.
Regardless of if your for or against it, if this argument of gun control is ever going to make any progress beyond theory, people have to come up with legitimate ways to enforce the measures being called for. As it stands currently, I see people who are justifiably outraged at the rise in violence upon the American people, but have little more to remedy the situation than to say "ban it" and forget about the ramifications said action would have on an already strained legal system.
The only conceivable way to maintain the right to own any firearm at all and not have a staggering affect on the judicial and corrections system would be a comprehensive list of where every gun in America is, and who owns it. You won't get enough accurate information on that list to justify the man power needed to enforce it, so the budget to enforce it wouldn't pass, etc. Rinse and repeat.
Regardless of if your for or against it, if this argument of gun control is ever going to make any progress beyond theory, people have to come up with legitimate ways to enforce the measures being called for. As it stands currently, I see people who are justifiably outraged at the rise in violence upon the American people, but have little more to remedy the situation than to say "ban it" and forget about the ramifications said action would have on an already strained legal system.
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I just think Europe was giving context of the conversation. I don't think there was any intent other than to tell a story.
I dont want to derail this thread from the subject at hand but one would be amazed at the comments you hear "on average" from people from other countries. "You guys have it the best, dont ever let what happen to us happen to you"---this is a broad statement but one will hear it said in different ways about different subjects.
I also enjoyed the posts on this thread from people in Australia, New Zealand, and Canada
Jess, missed your post, yes and thank you
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Yeah fair point I read your statement and reacted it wasn't really a direct reply, I wasn't trying to twist your words.
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It what context though? Like from hunters in other counties. Something like 10% of the population of the US hunts, I imagine that it's even less in Europe, Asia/Oceania, and parts of Africa. When I've talked to average people in other counties about guns/hunting/ etc. The don't let this happen to you is mostly in regards to public land and having no place to hunt, by and large most people I've talked to like their gun laws and feel our are kinda bizzare.
Granted, I haven't hung out with a ton of hunters in other counties, so my perspective is probably skewed to the non-hunter.
I have any one I've interacted with abroad hunter or not say they wish their country had less restrictive hand gun laws.
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I am from Canada. I wish we had less restrictive gun laws
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What's your perspective? Which laws do you have that you wish were changed. Why do you think we have these issues and your country doesn't?
No problem. All is good.
