Moosie
Grand poopa
Bugler, Do you think Colorado Oak has good info ?
Would you still hunt with....
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Moosie
Grand poopa
Montan Has different laws...
Also, The land isn't fenced, only posted on one access point, and I wasn't worried. Even still... If I got busted and lost, I'd pay the price.
Blue Yummies
New member
Cant you still shoot someone for trespassing on your place? Maybe not, but I did hear that you can still shoot indians only from a covered wagon.
IdahoBugler
Well-known member
Don't let the name fool ya...
Moosie
Grand poopa
As an FYI.......... EDIT (Crap, looks like Pointer added this alredy and didn't retype it like I did....)
So a question for those that are busting my balls. IF what I did was Legal, whats the issue ? I would think the issue lies in doing the right thing ? We can talk about Gamefarms and the Legality on them too. If it's legal..... right ?
I don't trespass on private land. I have crossed this property once "Legally" according to law, but in reality I shouldn't have. If what I did stayed withing the Laws, why call me a Tresspasser ? Aren't you climbing the Ethics and respect code now ? Doesn't ethics fall under interpretating them to the individual ?
As far as Wyoming, I was there with Buzz and IDBugler and we looked long and hard at some elk right next to the road to figure out if they were legal. After realizing they were, I took after them. Unfortunately, they starte to move out and with no fences it was to hard to say where they were at so even though it probably would have been OK, we backed out. I truthfuly don't like hunts like that. Montana there is a lot of private in Public patches too you need to know about. Maybe I'm jsut spoiled in Idaho we have Gobbs of public lands in all directions.
As far as the Indians, I'm not sure on the laws on them. Now illegals.. well, cjcj might be able to quote off some Statute.
Moosie
Grand poopa
Uhhh No sir.. We're leaving Saturday at noon.. why would I pack before 11AM Saturday morning ?
shoots-straight
Well-known member
What is a Blue Yummie anyway? Sorry I live a sheltered life. Is it like a viagra pill?
Moosie
Grand poopa
I haven't figure that out.. But back in school I found out what a Purple nurple was .....
And although I never had one like this...... It seems like there are more then one type : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC6hXX8uog0
And although I never had one like this...... It seems like there are more then one type : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC6hXX8uog0
Another view is that if the landowner doesn't want people on thier land is it too much to ask that it's posted private? Some consider that the lack of posting may mean that the landowner doesn't mind or care...
Tone- If case law's building that contradicts that rule, then that rules needs changed quickly...
noharleyyet
Well-known member
No, but neither is refraining from knowingly mitigating ethical conduct for convenience or advantage via technicality.
Devil's advocate: Can you guys imagine the cyber lynching that would be occuring if someone, oh, let's say Tom, had put up this poll?
I am surprised on some of the tresspassing responses. Well, given what I see in the field at times, maybe I am not overly surprised.
Tresspassing is tresspassing, whether it is a legal violation, or not, it is still tresspassing.
I have ended hunts, in the middle of the hunt, with guys who decided a short-cut through private was OK. Bull shit!
Regardless of the rules in your state, to me it is an issue of respect. I own property with my brother and sister along a great river in MN, and we let everyone fish there, without asking. But that is our choice. Some neighbors don't feel that way, and I respect that.
To me, it is not about legal or illegal, but about respect or disrespect.
As to Moosie's real question. I would hunt with someone who has had a game violation. Hell, my Dad and Uncles who got me into hunting all had some sort of infraction of varying degrees of severity. When I was younger, like most here, I did dumb things that could have resulted in a citation.
As far as the guy cited in the CO DOW article. Not a chance I would hunt with, speak to, or associate in any hunting way, with someone who did all of that for the purposes of bigger bucks to show off. Not that I would agree if he was busted for shooting does to feed his kids, but it would be a lot easier to accept.
I am sure he (Jeff) has other things in his life where he views rules as something to be broken, if the end can be justified. And usually, they don't care who else they drag into such things. Their psych profile is a lot different underneath than what is on the surface. You don't need advice from me Moosie, but I wouldn't trust that bastard in a "shit house with a spoon." Harsh, I know, but that comes with the territory "Jeff" has chosen to set his camp in.
In a lot of respects, it comes down to what we tell our kids - "You are who you associate with." Don't take that the wrong way Moosie, as you are still welcome in my camp. I wouldn't hang out with that person now, and would not have done so when my son was watching me for examples of acceptable behavior, worried that he would question why Dad would hang out with a convicted poacher.
Sometimes we are put in situations where we have to interact with people whose behavior we don't like, and there is nothing we can do about it. But, often, we get to make a choice as to whether or not we deal with such pukes, making the decision much easier.
Tresspassing is tresspassing, whether it is a legal violation, or not, it is still tresspassing.
I have ended hunts, in the middle of the hunt, with guys who decided a short-cut through private was OK. Bull shit!
Regardless of the rules in your state, to me it is an issue of respect. I own property with my brother and sister along a great river in MN, and we let everyone fish there, without asking. But that is our choice. Some neighbors don't feel that way, and I respect that.
To me, it is not about legal or illegal, but about respect or disrespect.
As to Moosie's real question. I would hunt with someone who has had a game violation. Hell, my Dad and Uncles who got me into hunting all had some sort of infraction of varying degrees of severity. When I was younger, like most here, I did dumb things that could have resulted in a citation.
As far as the guy cited in the CO DOW article. Not a chance I would hunt with, speak to, or associate in any hunting way, with someone who did all of that for the purposes of bigger bucks to show off. Not that I would agree if he was busted for shooting does to feed his kids, but it would be a lot easier to accept.
I am sure he (Jeff) has other things in his life where he views rules as something to be broken, if the end can be justified. And usually, they don't care who else they drag into such things. Their psych profile is a lot different underneath than what is on the surface. You don't need advice from me Moosie, but I wouldn't trust that bastard in a "shit house with a spoon." Harsh, I know, but that comes with the territory "Jeff" has chosen to set his camp in.
In a lot of respects, it comes down to what we tell our kids - "You are who you associate with." Don't take that the wrong way Moosie, as you are still welcome in my camp. I wouldn't hang out with that person now, and would not have done so when my son was watching me for examples of acceptable behavior, worried that he would question why Dad would hang out with a convicted poacher.
Sometimes we are put in situations where we have to interact with people whose behavior we don't like, and there is nothing we can do about it. But, often, we get to make a choice as to whether or not we deal with such pukes, making the decision much easier.
elk_hunter
Active member
Absolutely; that certainly is another view. However, what if someone doesn't have the money or the time or anything else for that matter to put signs and/or fencing up around his property? While some might interpret that to mean the landowner doesn't mind or care, that interpretation has a high percentage (in my humble opinion) of being wrong. I would bet that the majority of the time people want uninvited guests to stay off their land if they don't have permission. This is what I've been getting at all along is the respect/disrespect component. Although the law may outline a MINIMUM and provide loopholes, it doesn't give anyone the right to trespass.
BuzzH
Well-known member
Time or money? We're talking a rattle can of orange paint.
I dont think its asking too much of a landowner to spray a little orange paint on a post if they dont want you there.
The situations I have some trouble with is when there isnt any fencing at all. That gets tough trying to figure out where you're at exactly. The GPS comes in real handy in those situations.
I dont think its asking too much of a landowner to spray a little orange paint on a post if they dont want you there.
The situations I have some trouble with is when there isnt any fencing at all. That gets tough trying to figure out where you're at exactly. The GPS comes in real handy in those situations.
shoots-straight
Well-known member
Montana's law is pretty simple, if you don't have written permission, your trespassing.
Back to the "Would you hunt with part". The guy in question, shows his colors by being a trophy poacher. I know it's not a lot different to some, but in Montana we have cases where the poacher gets racked by how well the trophy stolen from the people of Montana scores. It seems to me the severity of the crime is worse as the B&C score rises. This guy to me seems to be too high a risk to be associated with. Just my 3 cents.
A couple of friends that I know here recently got busted for killing trophy mule deer over a period of years in our coveted trophy area. They got mouthy, busted, and long story short, ended up loosing hunting privileges for years and paying fines of up to $20,000. I helped enact the permit area that they stole the game in. I wouldn't be caught dead hunting with them now. Nor would I associate myself with them. I would give casual conversation with them if they initiated it, but that's it.
Back to the "Would you hunt with part". The guy in question, shows his colors by being a trophy poacher. I know it's not a lot different to some, but in Montana we have cases where the poacher gets racked by how well the trophy stolen from the people of Montana scores. It seems to me the severity of the crime is worse as the B&C score rises. This guy to me seems to be too high a risk to be associated with. Just my 3 cents.
A couple of friends that I know here recently got busted for killing trophy mule deer over a period of years in our coveted trophy area. They got mouthy, busted, and long story short, ended up loosing hunting privileges for years and paying fines of up to $20,000. I helped enact the permit area that they stole the game in. I wouldn't be caught dead hunting with them now. Nor would I associate myself with them. I would give casual conversation with them if they initiated it, but that's it.
Blue Yummies
New member
Instead of a can of paint lets make the ranchers put up a wall or even a razor wire fence, to keep people from trespassing, hell it keeps the mexicans out. If the border patrol would just put up a little orange paint every 660 feet then we would have no problems at all. Blue Yummies are not viagra pills for the ol'timers of the group.
Moosie
Grand poopa
Although I started this topic, I'm Bowing out.... Problem is, I know too many people with too many Skeletons. Some not so in the recent past.
I'll bow out as the bad tresspasser and potencial "Future Deer poacher" with birds of a feather.... I'll hope I will get some respect still from a few guys that know me. Sounds like I might have lost a few knotches with a few and I can live with that because I made my bed so I'm sleeping in it. Nite
I'll bow out as the bad tresspasser and potencial "Future Deer poacher" with birds of a feather....
I'll hope I will get some respect still from a few guys that know me. Sounds like I might have lost a few knotches with a few and I can live with that because I made my bed so I'm sleeping in it. Nite 
AZ402
Well-known member
You were always down a few knotches with me but I'll still hunt with you. How about this Sunday we get together?
elk_hunter
Active member
Buzz, again, I don't think it's fair to mandate an owner fence his place. Whether he's got 1 acre, 40 acres or 40,000 acres, you cannot reasonably impose any limitations for him to be explicit with his boundaries. I know in simple cases, someone could spray paint, but still...he shouldn't have to. I guess it goes back to knowing where you are and doing research beforehand, whether it's knocking on doors, reading maps or viewing GPS screens before heading out on a hike.
Nemont
Well-known member
If you own property and think it is worth protecting and keeping people off of it, marking it with a few cans of spray paint seems like a very small price to pay to warn people that it is private property. In addition it would allow me as a landowner to ask a numbskull hunter whether or not he saw the orange paint all over my fence, instead of having to ask him if he knew he crossed into my private property.
I don't think that is unreasonable or anti property rights. Why is not reasonable to expect a landowner to be explicit with his boundaries? How much work is it to spray paint every brace or gate. Give a highschool kid a 4 wheeler and $15 and they could do in in an afternoon.
Nemont
I don't think that is unreasonable or anti property rights. Why is not reasonable to expect a landowner to be explicit with his boundaries? How much work is it to spray paint every brace or gate. Give a highschool kid a 4 wheeler and $15 and they could do in in an afternoon.
Nemont
