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JoseCuervo
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Does anyone else feel sorry for those poor ladies?
Sorry Tom, kicked back watching football and giving grief on-line.
Leave it to Tom to find the only strippers in Texas with out implants......
The Hedgehog
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Tom, get your facts straight. There is no non-res "over the counter elk license." It's $593 for a MT non-resident elk app, which includes a bird and fishing license.
Of course it WILL cost somebody like you thousands to get an elk here. You will have to pay an outfitter thousands to hunt on private land.. there's just no $*)Q!#@$ way a Texan like you has a prayer to kill a public land Montana elk. Ain't gonna happen. You might get to go hunting, but don't plan on doing any killing. It aint' like a gold medal Texas wilmabeast hunt in a pen.
Of course it WILL cost somebody like you thousands to get an elk here. You will have to pay an outfitter thousands to hunt on private land.. there's just no $*)Q!#@$ way a Texan like you has a prayer to kill a public land Montana elk. Ain't gonna happen. You might get to go hunting, but don't plan on doing any killing. It aint' like a gold medal Texas wilmabeast hunt in a pen.
ok guys, here we go again. now, aside from what Tom is saying, no one really answered my question. if you apply for an elk tag, for example, and you do not get it. do you have to pay for the tag before the draw, or only after you are drawn? if you pay BEFORE the draw, and aren't drawn, do you get the permit fee back, less an administration fee? and understand having to have a license before you can apply, but that doesn't seem right to me. but thats irrelevant.
theres a group from the nahc board that have an elk hunt every year out in idaho, and they all go online to get their licenses, permits, etc.. since they are doing this online, and IF they get their before they are sold out, no problem. they hunt in unit 10A, I think, and they tell us to apply for B tags.
have no idea why I am bringing this up as it doesn't illustrate anything that had to do with my question.
anyways, jose, don't think it matters if they have implants or not. still look pretty darn good to me.
theres a group from the nahc board that have an elk hunt every year out in idaho, and they all go online to get their licenses, permits, etc.. since they are doing this online, and IF they get their before they are sold out, no problem. they hunt in unit 10A, I think, and they tell us to apply for B tags.
have no idea why I am bringing this up as it doesn't illustrate anything that had to do with my question.
anyways, jose, don't think it matters if they have implants or not. still look pretty darn good to me.
TLC -- Lot's of help here, but you need to be specific to what state and what critters you are interested in. I can't think of any of the states that run the show the same way.
Throw out a state and we will start knocking them down.
Throw out a state and we will start knocking them down.
JoseCuervo
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anyways, jose, don't think it matters if they have implants or not. still look pretty darn good to me.
Why would you want a stripper without implants?
Each state has a different twist on it. But, it seems like most states have gone to the step where you have to buy your Non Resident license and THEN apply for tags. Usually, the Non-res license fee is non-refundable, but, you get to keep it to hunt for birds/bunnies, and other stuff like that.
Then, when you are the proud owner of a $150 license, you can either buy an OTC tag like the one the guys at NAHC buy for Dworshak, or you can put into a lottery for the more desirable tags.
Many of the states want you to pay for the Tag and a small application fee ($10 for the application fee, non-refundable) up front to be in the lottery. If you are drawn, they keep your money and send you the tag. If you are not drawn, they send back the big chunk of money (the $300-1200) back to you. These states end up with a short tem loan from the unsuccessful applicants that their state treasury gets to make some money on....
Some states have now gone to taking credit card numbers and charging you the Tag fee upon successful drawings.
mtmiller, not sure what states I'll be looking at yet. so far, love idaho for bear hunting. had a great outfitter. want to try and get all 4 color phases. as far as the other game I would like to get, thinking maybe wyoming or the dakotas for antelope, not sure yet where for a mule deer hunt, and the same for an elk hunt. not into trophy hunting, but would like to get a respectable animal in each category. and not sure as I get older I want to keep tackling those damn anthills on steroids out there in idaho.
jose, not sure I even want a stripper, but if I did, like real tits myself. can I use the word tits in here? if I can't use the word tits in here, I apologize for saying the word tits. and I promise never to use or say the word tits in here again.
and the info you gave was what I kind of expected to hear, but wasn't sure. and not real crazy about having to get the hunting license first on an out of state hunt, but do realize they have to make some money. but lets face it, if you live in illinois, are you really going to go to Az to hunt bunnies? have too many here to travel to hunt them. anyways, thanks for the info.
jose, not sure I even want a stripper, but if I did, like real tits myself. can I use the word tits in here? if I can't use the word tits in here, I apologize for saying the word tits. and I promise never to use or say the word tits in here again.
and the info you gave was what I kind of expected to hear, but wasn't sure. and not real crazy about having to get the hunting license first on an out of state hunt, but do realize they have to make some money. but lets face it, if you live in illinois, are you really going to go to Az to hunt bunnies? have too many here to travel to hunt them. anyways, thanks for the info.
Moosie
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TLC, why complain about the Draws if you're putting in for bear ? 945 of the places in Idaho are OTC for bear. Since you're going to buy a NR tag you have to get a licence. Why not put in for a Great draw hunt ? wost case, you can always hunt general hunts. thats what still makes Idaho good. Alot of options.
Ultrahunter
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moosie, not complaining at all. just trying to understand all this draw stuff and points and all. the place I hunt for bear out there is a 2 bear limit. somewhere east(?) of kamiah. thinking it was close to pierce? weitas creek area.
remember when I lived in Az, and then in montana, billings, that the guys used to talk about having to get drawn to go hunting. and as I explained in the beginning, it's just different than what I'm used to. now, in saying that, if I do put in for a draw and don't get chosen, then I'll complain
remember when I lived in Az, and then in montana, billings, that the guys used to talk about having to get drawn to go hunting. and as I explained in the beginning, it's just different than what I'm used to. now, in saying that, if I do put in for a draw and don't get chosen, then I'll complain
I will go with lopes and be corrected where I am off.
South Dakota
--money up front and I think it is a couple hundred
--points are in play, each point another name in the hat...doesn't mean you will draw if you have more points than someone else, but your odds are better
--if you archery hunt I think the tag is guaranteed
--no general license needs to be purchased to be in the draw...only a small processing fee
Montana
--same point system as SD...points are just the number of times your name is in the hat
--archery was guaranteed for NR if it was your only choice (this may very well change in '08 to a 10% cap)
--Money must be upfront (cost of tag), but credit card can be used
--I think tag runs around $300
Wyoming
--money up front, no state license needed to participate
--points cost money every year if you want to play the point game...$30 in 2007. Not manditory, but good insurance if you want to hunt.
--those with the most points will draw 75% of the tags in the regular draw and 75% in the special draw. I know, confusing.
--There is a pot of regular tags, 75% to highest points and 25% random based on the same as MT and SD with names in the hat based on points less than max.
--Same deal for the special draw,75% to highest points and 25% random, which is another group of tags (fewer) for a couple hundred more. Usually these odds are better, but not always.
That is a start. Please correct me where I am off.
Good luck and start putting in...well unless you are putting in a group app with Tom.
Just kidding Tom.
Moosie
Grand poopa
Talk to Schmalts... HE's good with Aplications ...
Tom
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Just send off to the state for their info., start learning the answers yourself TLC. I know a couple states with no elk season, anytime you want one, let me know.
Greenhorn gets a huge elk every year, but I think he walks the permiter of Montana before he shoots one. Lots of up and down stuff too.
I think you should read the Eastman's book about elk TLC. I forgot the title, but I can find it. Here it is, Elk Hunting the West the Eastman Way, by Mike Eastman.
http://www.amazon.com/Elk-Hunting-W...r_1_48?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197910485&sr=8-48
He grew up by the elk refuge where they feed a lot of wild elk in the winter, but he has good advice on lots of ways to hunt elk and get tags, if that's what you want to do. Maybe some elk expert here will comment on the book or give some other good sources?
It will explain how much work you're looking at to do it well like some of these guys do. Some of them spend $5000 per year in applications, but you can get a lot back, but more states are keeping more now too, unless you do some lesser quality hunt, which still can be fun, but its a long trip that takes time.
Why not go to Alaska, lots of over the counter tags and a neat place to hunt and fish?
Here's what looks like a great bear hunt to go on:
http://www.hunttalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33309
Greenhorn, I missed the wilmabeast picture, did you get one of those this year? He hunts way back, I think, TLC, dinosaurs and stuff where he goes, just ask Moosie.
Greenhorn gets a huge elk every year, but I think he walks the permiter of Montana before he shoots one. Lots of up and down stuff too.
I think you should read the Eastman's book about elk TLC. I forgot the title, but I can find it. Here it is, Elk Hunting the West the Eastman Way, by Mike Eastman.
http://www.amazon.com/Elk-Hunting-W...r_1_48?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197910485&sr=8-48
He grew up by the elk refuge where they feed a lot of wild elk in the winter, but he has good advice on lots of ways to hunt elk and get tags, if that's what you want to do. Maybe some elk expert here will comment on the book or give some other good sources?
It will explain how much work you're looking at to do it well like some of these guys do. Some of them spend $5000 per year in applications, but you can get a lot back, but more states are keeping more now too, unless you do some lesser quality hunt, which still can be fun, but its a long trip that takes time.
Why not go to Alaska, lots of over the counter tags and a neat place to hunt and fish?
Here's what looks like a great bear hunt to go on:
http://www.hunttalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33309
Greenhorn, I missed the wilmabeast picture, did you get one of those this year? He hunts way back, I think, TLC, dinosaurs and stuff where he goes, just ask Moosie.
Wyodeerhunter
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How many times has Tom showed that picture of him w/ those chicks? That is the closest Tom will get to any gutter slut without buying her like a texas gold medal cow.
You got your picture taken with some chicks. OK WE GET IT. Now let it go!
I feel bad for noharley because dipshits like Tom ruin's it for the rest of them.
And eastman is a tool. If you want to hunt elk the eastman way go to a private ranch.
You got your picture taken with some chicks. OK WE GET IT. Now let it go!
I feel bad for noharley because dipshits like Tom ruin's it for the rest of them.
And eastman is a tool. If you want to hunt elk the eastman way go to a private ranch.
Tom
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That's not it, what's it is that they come from Texas, something different than what you think comes from Texas. Do you get that part? I don't think you've even looked at the Eastman book, have you Wyodeerhunter from the desert?
You got any advice for TLC that's good?
Here's the link for the $1000+ over the counter non-resident Montana elk tag that I was talking about and the $640+ special draw one that Greenhorn was talking about TLC.
http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/licenses/nonresidents.html
You got any advice for TLC that's good?
Here's the link for the $1000+ over the counter non-resident Montana elk tag that I was talking about and the $640+ special draw one that Greenhorn was talking about TLC.
http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/licenses/nonresidents.html
For Idaho you have to have a hunting license to apply for a controlled tag. However, as a non-resident, you can purchase deer, elk and bear tags along with your license and hunt archery and rifle for these in almost any part of the state. You can also purchase an archery antelope tag. You can then hunt and fish anything in the state that a resident can. If you want to apply for a controlled hunt then you can. Controlled hunts in Idaho generally mean the hunt is either easy access, high trophy quality, winter range/migratory, or near a population center. Something that would make an "open" hunt not manageable or desirable.
Tom
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When I hunted elk in Idaho, you could hunt a bull the first of the season, then a bull or a cow the second part of the season with the same tag, is it still like that? Also, if you got a deer tag, you could use it on a bear, a cougar, or a deer. That was neat too.
Nemont
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Do they teach reading comprehension in Texas? There is no OTC elk tag anywhere on there. There is an Outfitter Sponsored and there is a limit the number of those available.
Do you have a clue of the odds of you drawing $643 a Elk/Deer combo as a NR? Fairly close to 50% especially in the second year if you bought a $20 preference point. It is not Thousands and Thousands and they refund your cash if you don't draw.
Nemont
Tom
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"Big Game Elk/Deer Combination - Outfitter Sponsored ... All big game hunting with this license must be done with a licensed outfitter. Issued to all valid applicants sponsored by a certified outfitter received by March 15 March 15 $1195 Over the Counter "
So, its $643*2 + $20*2-some refund, then there is a hunt? What's the percentage success on the hunt? I was computing per elk shot, not per hunt. Plus, I was computing over all non-resident tags, not just the best deal ones. With 20% success, it takes 5 hunts to get one on average.
http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/planahunt/harvestreports.html
That's a few thousand and lots of time and costs for trip, on average.
I understand you Montana guys, and maybe others too, advocate that every other year one as a good one. I would say, unless you just like camping and hiking and long trips, go for a higher success hunt or unit, but that's me.
So, its $643*2 + $20*2-some refund, then there is a hunt? What's the percentage success on the hunt? I was computing per elk shot, not per hunt. Plus, I was computing over all non-resident tags, not just the best deal ones. With 20% success, it takes 5 hunts to get one on average.
http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/planahunt/harvestreports.html
That's a few thousand and lots of time and costs for trip, on average.
I understand you Montana guys, and maybe others too, advocate that every other year one as a good one. I would say, unless you just like camping and hiking and long trips, go for a higher success hunt or unit, but that's me.
AZ402
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Talk to Schmalts... HE's good with Aplications ...
Haha, that made me laugh. And all but one of those strippers Tom is with are ugly, horse faced, bush pigs...........
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