Would like to know......

[TLC]

IDHunters, thanks for that info. one quick question so I am clear on that controlled hunt thing. is that the kind of hunt like the one they have in montana? what I mean is, remember one of the guys that worked for me when I lived in billings, went on an elk hunt over by yellowstone(?) and he shot an elk that he was able to carry out on his shoulder. they just kind of shot them as they came out of the mountains. caught all kinds of chit about that. anyways, is that what you mean by a controlled hunt? easy access with pretty good chance of success?

Tom, appreciate the information you are posting, but not really looking for costs at this time. or cost per elk or anything else like that. was just asking about the drawing systems and the points deal from the guys out west. and I checked my atlas, and texas is not west as far as I could tell.

IDHunters, back to you. what part of idaho has antelope? didn't even know they had them running around out there. and if I decide to come out there for an elk hunt, will probably go with the group that I mentioned before. able to get the hunting license and tag online that way, and will have people who know where they are going and how to hunt that area. think they said they go to area 10A(?) and they get B tags. and it won't cost me an outfitters costs. nice thing about meeting people online. all the help and info you can get.

 

[noharleyyet]

*,and I checked my atlas, and texas is not west as far as I could tell. (quote TLC)

...why not start a new thread & make sure?

 

[Tom]

TLC, maybe you should do the $20K one Ringer talked about on the Indian reservation in AZ, pretty cheap for AZ, plus, I don't think it would take as many years, on average, but I don't know, maybe they have a long waiting list. What state does Wyodeerhunter from the desert live in?

 

[Bambistew]

And eastman is a tool. If you want to hunt elk the eastman way go to a private ranch.

But their motto is 'No fences here'...

Tom I think your success rate in MT reguardless of what special permitt you applied for would still be around zero.

I think success rates are a joke. I hunted an area that had a total of 2 bulls killed in the last 5 years, and one of those was the one I shot... I shot a dink on the second day about 500 yards above a road, and passed on a couple 4pts the first day. The year before that I could have killed about 10 diffrent bulls in the same unit. I thought it was a pretty easy elk hunt to be honest, then again all the other elk 'hunters' I saw where haveing a hard time finding elk from the seat of their ATV or riding around in the truck drinking beer.

 

[Tom]

You probably think success rates on a draw are a joke too?? Once they see the application is from Bambistew, it just pops out of the draw and goes to your mailbox, waiting for you to open it, eh?

 

[Bambistew]

Big diffrence between success rates and drawing stats. One is predictable, the other is completly dependant on the hunter.

 

[Tom]

Not exactly true, like if there is one bull in an area, verses 1000 bulls in a similar area, the success rate might change a little between the two situations, especially when you average it over all the hunters in an area or over several years of hunting in an area.

One of the things I like to consider in a draw is the end result, downing an animal. I can go hike and take pictures just for the cost of a trip and the time spent, so downing an animal certainly motivates the draw.

Taking the Montana example. 50% success on a draw, then 20% success on a harvest, but less than 10% success on a bull, any bull averaged over the whole state for 4 years and about 440,000 hunters. Since the draw is independent of the hunt,we multiply the .5 times the .1 and get 0.05, i.e. 5% chance of getting drawn and getting a bull. Like 1 out of 20, we get drawn half the years, so it averages out over 40 years to get a Montana bull for all those 440,000 hunters. Unless you can get an advantage, unless you can scout, i.e. live there, its mostly hiking and camping and sending in applications and reading the rules. Go someplace where you can shoot an animal, that's what I say. Like Greenhorn said, I may pay a few thousand and hunt in a few years, but my chances of getting a bull are much less on average.

The other interesting thing they're putting in the data bases is the days to harvest. Elk take longer to harvest than deer and deer take longer to harvest than antelope, I think, but you can check yourself whereever you're interested in doing a send them your money draw.

The Montana link I gave shows days to harvest of an elk to be 38 days averaged over 4 years and over 400,000 hunters. You might be lucky and get one earlier or you might be unlucky and get one later, that's the average.

It really begins to show how a $5000 private high success gauranteed tag type hunt is a deal, when you consider all the data, not just the data to get started with a tag. There's more to it than getting a tag.