Wolves, they aren't a problem...

[BiggWimm]

Whoever thinks that wolves aren't an issue, well, here is an article you need to read. As a former, and soon to move back, Alaskan; I say the more dead wolves the better!

 

[BiggWimm]

http://www.adn.com/2010/03/09/1175725/wolf-blamed-in-death-of-villager.html

Forgot to attach the article, was worked up!

 

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http://www.wsmv.com/news/15642032/detail.html

More dead goats the better too!









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[JoseCuervo]

Wow, 1 confirmed and 1 unconfirmed wolf kill, ever.... Not something that should get anyone too worked up they can't figure out how to work the computer while sitting in Salt Lake City...


You got a better chance of being killed by a drunk elephant than a wolf....

Rogue Elephants, Some of Them Drunk, Killed 31 People This Year in India State

GAUHATI, India — Rogue elephants have killed at least 31 people this year in Assam state, sometimes after swilling barrels of homemade beer in the villages they raided, officials said.

Wildlife officials say urbanization and a growing elephant population is squeezing the jungle habitat, forcing the animals to look for space and food in villages on edges of forests.

 

[sweetnectar]

I remember sitting in a nursing home and listening to my great grandma telling how bad the wolves were when she was a little girl. She said that every night they would have to put their livestock in a stockade and bate the hooks. The hooks hung from trees and she said they would often wake up in the morning a find several dead wolves hanging. She told of how packs of wolves would pursue members of her family while they were riding on horseback. She told of how she wasn't allowed to play alone outside. When you look into it there are certianly problems between humans and wolves. I'm surprised there aren't more accounts of wolves killing people and defending wolves is a hard position to try and defend.

 

[Wyodeerhunter]

It's people like BigWimm that makes me almost ashamed I'm put in the same genre as him as a "hunter".

Its ok BigWimm, god didn't bless everyone with a full deck. M-0-0-N that spells BigWimm Laws Yes!

 

[fowladdict]

I remember sitting in a nursing home and listening to my great grandma telling how bad the wolves were when she was a little girl.

Are you sure your grandma wasn't little red riding hood?

 

[mdunc8]

I guess we should eliminate all deer too (http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051020/news_7m20deer.html).

I can't believe this elk would do such a thing (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12688107).

If you're scared of a big bad wolves and bears, move to New York City. It's one thing to argue about how predators influence prey numbers, but I'm not sure what your point is here. I almost forgot about puppies. I suppose we should shoot every last labrador retriever too (http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8746561).

 

[Bucnutz.wis]

I guess we should eliminate all deer too (http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051020/news_7m20deer.html).

he went into his back yard to pick tomatoes when he unexpectedly came upon a 6-foot-tall deer next to his house. The buck hit him with its antlers in the face, tearing a hole in his cheek and shoving the bony antler into his mouth.

This sounds more like a GAY Hollywood porn script to me...

 

[icb12]

Do us all a favor and stay in Utah.

As much as I disagree with the tone and the underlying premise of the original Post.. the fact is that Wolves have become a problem IN CHIGNIK area. There are other problem areas for sure, and many areas that aren't having wolf problems. Its clear to me that a 10 per day limit and unlimited trapping for six months aren't having the desired affect...

Lot of Wolves out that way.

By the way, the Radio said this morning that AST confirmed believed 100% that wolves were the cause of her death. As in predated on pre mortem.

Wolves attacking humans should not be tolerated period. Doesn't mean a widespread wolf massacre is in order.

 

[Dinkshooter]

I am currently training some help to send to Chignik. I hope he arrives in time, to save them from something you could probably charge at and scare away if you were not 4' 11''.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1050/karate_chimp_amazing/

 

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I am currently training some help to send to Chignik. I hope he arrives in time, to save them from something you could probably charge at and scare away if you were not 4' 11''.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1050/karate_chimp_amazing/

Speaking of which, I think I found our answer to the chimp vs. griz thread. Fast forward to about forty seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdCnuxNVhgg

 

[noharleyyet]

speaking of which, i think i found our answer to the chimp vs. Griz thread. Fast forward to about forty seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndcnuxnvhgg

lmao:d:d:d:d

 

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*and fast forward again to about 2:20- bear gets his revenge.

 

[Dinkshooter]

Dam that is funny. Again another country with a solid view point of what truley "is" entertainment.

And the mystery surrounding bear vs. monkey thickens............................................

 

[BiggWimm]

I apologize if I have offended all of you "real hunters" out there but let me give an example. Around my families cabin in interior Alaska, there used to be some great moose hunting. My family would harvest one moose a year, because that is all we could ethically consume, without any problem. In the beginning, you would consider yourself lucky to see a wolf. Recently we observed a pack of greater than 25 animals. Oddly enough, the moose hunting has been on the decline. According to ADF&G research, an adult wolf consumes the equivalent of 7 adult moose a year. Let's do the math: 25 wolves x 7 adult moose = 175 adult moose consumed per year by this pack alone. Let me repeat: 175 adult moose killed by this single pack alone, per year. Based on talking to some other landowners in the area, who live there year round, they state that they have even seen a pack of wolves larger than the one we saw. So yes, I do believe that wolves need to be harvested.

 

[icb12]

I am currently training some help to send to Chignik. I hope he arrives in time, to save them from something you could probably charge at and scare away if you were not 4' 11''.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1050/karate_chimp_amazing/

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that you can charge at and scare off wolves? Thats fairly laughable. I shot one several years ago just because he was too accustomed to people. He would slink around my moms house and nothing about us frightened him. Most wolves I've seen cocky enough to be around towns or villages, those wolves know they are bad mofos and aren't scared of us.

I apologize if I have offended all of you "real hunters" out there but let me give an example. Around my families cabin in interior Alaska, there used to be some great moose hunting. My family would harvest one moose a year, because that is all we could ethically consume, without any problem. In the beginning, you would consider yourself lucky to see a wolf. Recently we observed a pack of greater than 25 animals. Oddly enough, the moose hunting has been on the decline. According to ADF&G research, an adult wolf consumes the equivalent of 7 adult moose a year. Let's do the math: 25 wolves x 7 adult moose = 175 adult moose consumed per year by this pack alone. Let me repeat: 175 adult moose killed by this single pack alone, per year. Based on talking to some other landowners in the area, who live there year round, they state that they have even seen a pack of wolves larger than the one we saw. So yes, I do believe that wolves need to be harvested.

Link to the ADF&G research?

BTW you didn't say what GMU your "families" cabin is/was in. But lets for instance say its in unit 20. Fairly common unit for cabins to be found.
5 year average moose harvest by Hunters is 1885.2 (and thats just the ones that were reported)

http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/techpubs/mgt_rpts/harvest_summary.pdf

Maybe I should start harvesting humans?? They are seriously ruining the Moose hunting around my cabin.

 

[shoots-straight]

We can't sanitise the world so people don't get hurt in it. I wouldn't want to live in a place like that. I think there called funny farms.

I feel for the gal's family, but Darwin's theory came into play. She was in the wilds of Alaska, with a IPod stuck in her ears, and was running in said wild. That will trigger most predatory responses throughout North America. Your right, it will happen again because people are too far removed from raw wilderness to have any common sense. Doesn't open the door for any more management because of this one act. Whitetail deer kill far more people each year.

Many woman, doing the exact same thing in metro area's get killed by humans each year. Should we start killing each other because of a few bad guys?

Address the problem and be done with it. No more should be applied to the situation because of one rare event.

Big Wimm, do those wolves in the area where your cabin is, do they strictly eat moose? The Alaskan wolf population seems to be stable from year to year. Was curious.

 

[mdunc8]

Most people, not all, live in Alaska for a reason. That reason for most folks is the beautiful scenery and wildlife that they get to experience every day. However, with that scenery and wildlife comes dangerous and unpredictable conditions. If you don't like your chances, move somewhere "safer". Personally I'd rather take my chances with a pack of wolves then some creepy kid toucher down here in the real world. Some animals eat other animals and if I remember correctly, we're all animals. I don't consider myself anymore of a "hunter" than anyone else on here and I don't have a problem with people hunting bears, wolves, or any other predator as long as it is done responsibly and ethically. Most can sustain some level hunting.

 

[Wyodeerhunter]

I apologize if I have offended all of you "real hunters" out there but let me give an example. Around my families cabin in interior Alaska, there used to be some great moose hunting. My family would harvest one moose a year, because that is all we could ethically consume, without any problem. In the beginning, you would consider yourself lucky to see a wolf. Recently we observed a pack of greater than 25 animals. Oddly enough, the moose hunting has been on the decline. According to ADF&G research, an adult wolf consumes the equivalent of 7 adult moose a year. Let's do the math: 25 wolves x 7 adult moose = 175 adult moose consumed per year by this pack alone. Let me repeat: 175 adult moose killed by this single pack alone, per year. Based on talking to some other landowners in the area, who live there year round, they state that they have even seen a pack of wolves larger than the one we saw. So yes, I do believe that wolves need to be harvested.

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Just cuz you didn't see many wolves 25 years ago doesn't mean they were not there. Maybe the wolves needed help back then? Poor pup survival, mange, who knows what. Maybe your family should of stepped in and helped the wolves by using helicopters to shoot moose for them.

Sounds pretty stupid huh? OH wait its different if the shoe's on the other foot.

What hurt the moose hunting around your cabin is all the atv's and argo trails. Increasing access to that country will kill more moose than a pack of wolves. Still have doubt? SNOPES.com it!

Utah and most AK hunters have a lot in common.....