West coast salmon recovery

[atlas]

I'm not so sure. They (PacifiCorp) removed the dam on the White Salmon, and haven't seen much improvement above the dam sight, though it did greatly improve the spawning habitat below (fresh bedload, the silt is purged pretty quick;<-- @Big Slick ). Then they removed the Elwha dams, without a ton of improvement above the upper dam (pretty noticeable increase between the dams). From what I've seen of salmon restoration work here in WA, it's not really driven by results-based science. I think the lower snake dams are done, even if the Klamath removal isn't that successful.

Salmon are just kinda #@)(*%* and we still don't know why.

Yes, it's hard to stay excited about these restoration projects when there isn't a big response by the fishery to what's been done.

On a short term note there's a big run of steelhead headed to the Clearwater. First trip this season is in a week. Caught the fish in my avatar in Oct last year . Then it's back to elk hunting.

 

[FI460]

Yes, it's hard to stay excited about these restoration projects when there isn't a big response by the fishery to what's been done.

On a short term note there's a big run of steelhead headed to the Clearwater. First trip this season is in a week. Caught the fish in my avatar in Oct last year . Then it's back to elk hunting.

And we'll have a bunch more river to float.

@Irrelevant no pulling permits required down here.

 

[Salmonchaser]

When ever a biologist offers the wild card in understanding salmon is Ocean conditions what he/she is saying is nets. American, Canadian, Chinese, Japanese, any Southeast Asia country you can think of and of course Russia. Hell there are European crews fishing in Bristol bay ever summer.

 

[R.K.]

I'm not so sure. They (PacifiCorp) removed the dam on the White Salmon, and haven't seen much improvement above the dam sight, though it did greatly improve the spawning habitat below (fresh bedload, the silt is purged pretty quick;<-- @Big Slick ). Then they removed the Elwha dams, without a ton of improvement above the upper dam (pretty noticeable increase between the dams). From what I've seen of salmon restoration work here in WA, it's not really driven by results-based science. I think the lower snake dams are done, even if the Klamath removal isn't that successful.

Salmon are just kinda #@)(*%* and we still don't know why.

It’s trawling. That’s the entire story of disappearing salmon. Fish that don’t spend time exposed to trawler fleets don’t end up as bycatch. It wrecked European fisheries and got banned. It wrecked the George’s bank and got banned. Now it’s Alaska’s turn.

And remember- one dead orca is a felony for you, but business as usual for them. One wasted chinook is a wanton waste ticket for you, but 20,000 is just normal to them.

 

[Irrelevant]

It’s trawling. That’s the entire story of disappearing salmon. Fish that don’t spend time exposed to trawler fleets don’t end up as bycatch. It wrecked European fisheries and got banned. It wrecked the George’s bank and got banned. Now it’s Alaska’s turn.

And remember- one dead orca is a felony for you, but business as usual for them. One wasted chinook is a wanton waste ticket for you, but 20,000 is just normal to them.

That certainly seems to be the main culprit, but I'm not willing to conceed "entire". We have smolts that test positive for cocaine and caffeine, we have tire particulates that are 99% lethal to coho, we likely have a plethora of pharma that are impacting both smolt and adult survival. But what I do know is that it ain't a lack of woody debris, it ain't freshwater habitat that's the limiting factor or places like the OR coast and the WA Olympic peninsula would still have great runs.

 

[TheTone]

Yes, it's hard to stay excited about these restoration projects when there isn't a big response by the fishery to what's been done.

On a short term note there's a big run of steelhead headed to the Clearwater. First trip this season is in a week. Caught the fish in my avatar in Oct last year . Then it's back to elk hunting.

It’s busy this year. Drove from Lewiston to orofino yesterday, lots of people on the water. River is super low also

 

[Irrelevant]

What happened to those king salmon caught as bycatch?

Northern Journal last week published a story on how Kodiak-based pollock trawlers unintentionally caught 2,000 king salmon — forcing the closure of a

www.ktoo.org

"Discarded"