West coast salmon recovery

[Sytes]

Innundated with information dillutes integrity of good information.

That's great to hear for the sockeye population!

 

[SAJ-99]

That article is pretty misleading. Yes there is an issue on the Okanogan, which could partially be solved by removing the Eolan dam, but it's also just the nature of the beast, the geograph (and geology) that created prime habitat for sockeye, these large inland lakes connected to low gradient rivers, is the same geography and geology that creates the hot water. I get pretty sick of crying wolf when the sockeye trend is so obviously heading in the right direction.
Lake Wenatchee has seen 187k fish so far this year, absolutely SHATTERING the previous record (which was made just a couple years ago). That's more sockeye than the entire Columbia used to return at the turn of the century.

I didn’t read it as all negative. It seemed to be more about how climate change (warm water from lack of snow and higher temps) can make progress more frustrating. I think they mentioned a similar thing happened in 2015. Seems progress will be in fits and starts.

 

[Irrelevant]

I didn’t read it as all negative. It seemed to be more about how climate change (warm water from lack of snow and higher temps) can make progress more frustrating. I think they mentioned a similar thing happened in 2015. Seems progress will be in fits and starts.

But it happens every year. Every. Single. Year. there is a temperature barrier that sets up at the mouth of the Okanogan. The current water temperature of the Okanogan river is trending almost perfectly with the 20 year the MEAN, the period over which these giant leaps and gains have occurred.


Yes climate change is real. But it is not ALWAYS the biggest and baddest boogy man ruining everything. And not every "bad thing" (hot water temps on the Okanogan in this case) is caused by climate change. But damn if you wouldn't think so trying to follow the press. That or it doesn't exist at all.

 

[SAJ-99]

But it happens every year. Every. Single. Year. there is a temperature barrier that sets up at the mouth of the Okanogan. The current water temperature of the Okanogan river is trending almost perfectly with the 20 year the MEAN, the period over which these giant leaps and gains have occurred.

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Yes climate change is real. But it is not ALWAYS the biggest and baddest boogy man ruining everything. And not every "bad thing" (hot water temps on the Okanogan in this case) is caused by climate change. But damn if you wouldn't think so trying to follow the press. That or it doesn't exist at all.

I just thought it was interesting info. I like to know before stuff happens rather than after. Like this...

Last year’s heat wave doomed nearly all Okanogan sockeye salmon

Amid last summer’s drought and heat wave, some 98 percent of Okanogan basin sockeye salmon died before they reached spawning grounds, a new report says.

www.seattletimes.com

Lots of good data here and charts here. Nothing contradictory to what you have said.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346427362_Historic_water_temperature_1924-2018_river_discharge_1929-2018_and_adult_Sockeye_Salmon_migration_1937-2018_observations_in_the_Columbia_Okanogan_and_Okanagan_rivers

 

[Bigjay73]

Two Kodiak trawlers unintentionally caught 2,000 king salmon. Now a whole fishery is closed.

The incident is sure to draw more scrutiny on the issue of bycatch — the unintended harvest, typically of salmon or halibut, by boats targeting other species.

www.adn.com

 

[Irrelevant]

Two Kodiak trawlers unintentionally caught 2,000 king salmon. Now a whole fishery is closed.

The incident is sure to draw more scrutiny on the issue of bycatch — the unintended harvest, typically of salmon or halibut, by boats targeting other species.

www.adn.com

a good reaction to it.

OPINION: Pollock trawling is screwing Alaskans

It is no longer acceptable for the high seas trawl fleet in the Gulf of Alaska and the Bering Sea to deplete our King Salmon fisheries. It is time to restrict the so-called bycatch of King Salmon in…

alaskawatchman.com

 

[atlas]

Another thing aside from the bycatch -- picture all the bait size pollack being removed from the food web every year.

 

[Bigjay73]

Another thing aside from the bycatch -- picture all the bait size pollack being removed from the food web every year.

I don't want to picture anything trawler related. I have enough nightmares already

 

[Salmonchaser]

It's about time people wake up to the pillaging of Alaska.

 

[Derek44]

Doing my part. A couple loads of LWD (Fish Trees) heading from the peninsula to the Methow River in WA to create some fish brothels. Pretty big project. So far I have about 30 of these loads to move.

 

[Irrelevant]

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Doing my part. A couple loads of LWD (Fish Trees) heading from the peninsula to the Methow River in WA to create some fish brothels. Pretty big project. So far I have about 30 of these loads to move.

wait, someone is paying to truck trees from the peninsula to the Methow?

 

[Salmonchaser]

When I was in college, mid 70s, my roommate and I made a $100.00 a day taking debrie out of the streams. Now they are paying you to put it back in. Gotta love capitalism. Are your trucks running North cascades or going over I 90?

 

[Derek44]

wait, someone is paying to truck trees from the peninsula to the Methow?
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Right?!?!? Seems silly but I didn’t question it haha. They are bringing them from all over the state. Not sure how it’s decided where.

 

[Derek44]

When I was in college, mid 70s, my roommate and I made a $100.00 a day taking debrie out of the streams. Now they are paying you to put it back in. Gotta love capitalism. Are your trucks running North cascades or going over I 90?

It will depend where I load them at. 30 loads from that side in various locations. Those particular loads came from Belfair so I went across the narrows, over Tiger Summit (18), and I-90. Wanted to avoid going north thru Seattle in the middle of the day.

 

[Big Slick]

There is a lot of controversy on dams and whether they should be removed or not. No one in the green agenda talks about hydroelectricity. The man made bodies of water have been there so long that a salmon wouldn’t know that they belonged in the waters that have been uninhabited for decades. The mighty California government has removed a dam on the Klamath River, which has silted in the salmon spawning grounds. Brilliant!!

 

[atlas]

There is a lot of controversy on dams and whether they should be removed or not. No one in the green agenda talks about hydroelectricity. The man made bodies of water have been there so long that a salmon wouldn’t know that they belonged in the waters that have been uninhabited for decades. The mighty California government has removed a dam on the Klamath River, which has silted in the salmon spawning grounds. Brilliant!!

Hopefully the silt passes soon. Plenty of spawning goes on in tribs up there.

 

[FI460]

Hopefully the silt passes soon. Plenty of spawning goes on in tribs up there.

It's shaping up nicely in the former J.C. Boyle footprint. I'll try and take that promised tour before winter and snap some pictures.

 

[Salmonchaser]

It will depend where I load them at. 30 loads from that side in various locations. Those particular loads came from Belfair so I went across the narrows, over Tiger Summit (18), and I-90. Wanted to avoid going north thru Seattle in the middle of the day.

I spent 20 years in the Seattle area as a cop, before becoming a cop I logged in Oregon. Can’t immagine driving a loaded truck through Seattle. What a pain in the butt. Good luck with the project.

 

[atlas]

If you guys want updates on fish up to date fish counts on the Klamath you can email [email protected] to be added to the mailing list. You'll receive cumulative counts from weirs in several tribs every Friday.

Fish have made it through the sludge to Shasta River, which comes into the Klamath just below where Iron Gate once sat. As you can see the run either looks very delayed or very low. Hopefully it picks up.

I think the Klamath has to be viewed as a success for any other major dam removals to be taken seriously.

 

[Irrelevant]

I think the Klamath has to be viewed as a success for any other major dam removals to be taken seriously.

I'm not so sure. They (PacifiCorp) removed the dam on the White Salmon, and haven't seen much improvement above the dam sight, though it did greatly improve the spawning habitat below (fresh bedload, the silt is purged pretty quick;<-- @Big Slick ). Then they removed the Elwha dams, without a ton of improvement above the upper dam (pretty noticeable increase between the dams). From what I've seen of salmon restoration work here in WA, it's not really driven by results-based science. I think the lower snake dams are done, even if the Klamath removal isn't that successful.

Salmon are just kinda #@)(*%* and we still don't know why.