Weight Loss Drugs

[Southern Elk]

I ran across this article today.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/health/ozempic-wegovy-blindness-rare-risk/index.html

 

[Dubz337]

BMI is an outdated and incorrect measure of fitness.

 

[brymoore]

I have said it before and I'll say it again...you can't out exercise a bad diet . Once you stop the drug, you will eat again so really this is pointless unless you can stop the drug and stop eating or whatever is does for you.

I agree except for long distance running. I couldn’t eat enough food to replace my calorie burn when I trained for a marathon.

 

[Bonasababy]

I will just say that just about every other post in this thread has bad information. Don't pay attention to internet hacks. See a weight loss specialist. And the drugs are much more available now. Supply problems for some have dissipated.

 

[Addicting]

Down 4lbs in in a week and half.

To the diet folks:

After being born a huge baby, 10 or 11bs, I don’t remember exactly. I’ve always been the big guy. Not really fat but big. Thru my entire military career I never once made the height and weight tables. I was running up to 8 miles a day with countless other exercises and only got down to 199 lbs. I was still the big guy, but I looked like a skeleton.

Now that I’m 40+ and have a more sedentary profession I have crept up in weight. The VA determined that I am broken enough to get the highest rating possible. Every step my ankles and knees sound like rice crispies.

Diets make me hangry and shaky. I am miserable and anxiety runs rampant when the shakes start. I’ve tried almost everything mentioned in this thread plus much more.

So while this drug may not be for you with your genetics, it is for some others. I am not alone in my body style. So far this has had minimal impact on my life and I am able to lose some weight.

 

[FairWeather]

I agree except for long distance running. I couldn’t eat enough food to replace my calorie burn when I trained for a marathon.

Idk, even when I was 19 years old and training for a marathon I still couldn’t get below 213lbs.

 

[SaskHunter]

Stress is free and that sh*t works!

 

[ignorethefringes]

Stress is free and that sh*t works!

Stress makes me eat like a first time momma who is "eating for two" at 7 weeks pregnant.

 

[SaskHunter]

BMI is an outdated and incorrect measure of fitness.

I was training with the USMC about a decade ago, this jacked dude was getting kicked out of the Marines because of his high BMI. Buddy was a beast but couldn't drop his BMI so he got the boot... Pretty ridiculous, give that guy heavy things and he'd probably carry them further than everyone else which is pretty much what being a soldier is; picking up heavy things, humping them around and putting them down.

 

[FairWeather]

I was training with the USMC about a decade ago, this jacked dude was getting kicked out of the Marines because of his high BMI. Buddy was a beast but couldn't drop his BMI so he got the boot... Pretty ridiculous, give that guy heavy things and he'd probably carry them further than everyone else which is pretty much what being a soldier is; picking up heavy things, humping them around and putting them down.

I was in the army, so no first hand experience, but from what I’ve heard the Marines are the most ridiculous branch.

I worked in a veteran center for about 2 years during college after getting out, and the things I’d heard from the marines about the usmc were so ass-backwards. As an example, allegedly one can be disciplined, and eventually discharged, if they don’t look good in their uniform. Nothing to do with job performance, or even hight/weight requirements, purely aesthetics.

 

[SaskHunter]

I was in the army, so no first hand experience, but from what I’ve heard the Marines are the most ridiculous branch.

I worked in a veteran center for about 2 years during college after getting out, and the things I’d heard from the marines about the usmc were so ass-backwards. As an example, allegedly one can be disciplined, and eventually discharged, if they don’t look good in their uniform. Nothing to do with job performance, or even hight/weight requirements, purely aesthetics.

The USMC is a cult and no one can change my mind.

Spent about a month with them on Camp Lejeune. Lots of bar fights and drinking! Overall good dudes when they're on your side.

 

[MaddH]

Unfortunately for me with this high demand for these drugs I can now only purchase a 1 month supply instead of the usual 3 months for my diabetes. Big deal since I have to travel a 5 hr round trip to get it since it’s scarce where I live. Hopefully the supply line will increase sooner than later

 

[brymoore]

I was training with the USMC about a decade ago, this jacked dude was getting kicked out of the Marines because of his high BMI. Buddy was a beast but couldn't drop his BMI so he got the boot... Pretty ridiculous, give that guy heavy things and he'd probably carry them further than everyone else which is pretty much what being a soldier is; picking up heavy things, humping them around and putting them down.

Early 90s I was in the PLC program for two summers. I put on 20 pounds of muscle between summers after experiencing USMC OCS. I was border line being a Fatbody and being put on a restrictive diet. I was 6’3”, ripped with no body fat and I weighed 185 pounds. Part of the problem is they marked me at 6’2”, which took a few pounds off my weight allowance. I’m standing in front of the officer in only boxer shorts - he can see my 6 pack abs.

They were giving me hell, telling me I was fat, when they asked me my last PFT score. Officer looked shocked when I said something around 290. He flipped through my file until he found the test, looked at it, looked up at me and told me to get out of his face.

 

[longbow51]

Down 4lbs in in a week and half.

To the diet folks:

After being born a huge baby, 10 or 11bs, I don’t remember exactly. I’ve always been the big guy. Not really fat but big. Thru my entire military career I never once made the height and weight tables. I was running up to 8 miles a day with countless other exercises and only got down to 199 lbs. I was still the big guy, but I looked like a skeleton.

Now that I’m 40+ and have a more sedentary profession I have crept up in weight. The VA determined that I am broken enough to get the highest rating possible. Every step my ankles and knees sound like rice crispies.

Diets make me hangry and shaky. I am miserable and anxiety runs rampant when the shakes start. I’ve tried almost everything mentioned in this thread plus much more.

So while this drug may not be for you with your genetics, it is for some others. I am not alone in my body style. So far this has had minimal impact on my life and I am able to lose some weight.

That's what the "I never had trouble losing weight" crowd can't understand. Genetics differ.

My theory, totally without scientific backup, which is unusual for me, but seems logical; women who gained weight on minimal calories carried their babies to term. Women who didn't carry that characteristic, i.e., lost weight in times of famine lost their offspring and were genetically deselected.

Fast forward to a time of unlimited calories, many of them poisonous, and you arrive at the current state.

Maybe I'll apply for a grant...nah, not a whore. Not that there's anything wrong with that

 

[semperfi87]

I would always resort to diet and exercise first but if that truly is not cutting it, it could be some kind of underlying issue, thyroid, regulated, or blood sugar you could possibly look into Wegovy and maybe give that a shot

 

[LopeHunter]

I hate being on Rx. My maternal family DNA is 100% Type 2 diabetes for the past three generations of adults who lived beyond 50 years old. I was declared Type 2 back 15 months ago at age 62 though had been borderline diabetic for a few years so I would get chastised during my annual checkups.

I changed my diet, especially quantity of food, though I eat a food mix much like a teenager for about half my lunches and dinners. I have lost 10% of my May 2023 peak weight. I was down 15% a few months ago before messed up my right foot being an idiot and the recovery is slowing my exercise down. Those pounds gained back gradually as my exercise levels fell. I think exercise not only burns calories but also accelerates my metabolism. Just a theory for my body.

My doctor offered me to go on weight-loss shots last year though I want to try and get healthier with better food choices and steady exercise. My selfish choices got me into being overweight so I feel I should try to make choices to get me out of this jam. My most recent A1C result drops me below the medical definition of diabetic. I feel good about this journey even with the bit gained back. If I am not down to my target weight next May then will strongly consider going on the shots.

Re BMI, I agree the same BMI on 10 different guys looks different with some looking much more fit than others. BMI is useful in my case. There are no six-packs, more like I have the entire keg.

 

[Bonasababy]

I hate being on Rx. My maternal family DNA is 100% Type 2 diabetes for the past three generations of adults who lived beyond 50 years old. I was declared Type 2 back 15 months ago at age 62 though had been borderline diabetic for a few years so I would get chastised during my annual checkups.

I changed my diet, especially quantity of food, though I eat a food mix much like a teenager for about half my lunches and dinners. I have lost 10% of my May 2023 peak weight. I was down 15% a few months ago before messed up my right foot being an idiot and the recovery is slowing my exercise down. Those pounds gained back gradually as my exercise levels fell. I think exercise not only burns calories but also accelerates my metabolism. Just a theory for my body.

My doctor offered me to go on weight-loss shots last year though I want to try and get healthier with better food choices and steady exercise. My selfish choices got me into being overweight so I feel I should try to make choices to get me out of this jam. My most recent A1C result drops me below the medical definition of diabetic. I feel good about this journey even with the bit gained back. If I am not down to my target weight next May then will strongly consider going on the shots.

Re BMI, I agree the same BMI on 10 different guys looks different with some looking much more fit than others. BMI is useful in my case. There are no six-packs, more like I have the entire keg.

Sounds like you are on a good path.

Get to the point where you feel strong and can do most things that you want, then if the weight loss has slowed (this is the big issue for many--they can lose weight on a diet an exercise regime initially but then weight loss slows to a crawl) it might be worth trying one of the drugs.

They work by dramatically cutting appetite but done right have to be supplemented by a limited diet. Mine is 50 carbs max a day, with 115 protein minimum a day. No limit on fat--or calories, but calories tend to follow carb levels in many cases so I'm taking in fewer of those than I used to as well. And tracking everything with a phone app is needed too. You can plug in most anything into the app and it will spit out nutrient contents by serving size. The carb limit is most effective, and I can hit that without much trouble most days--I actually have to watch to insure I am getting enough protein though. Those that may not may lose some muscle. Earlier comments implied that was the drugs--no it's primarily the diet.

The idea is to lose weight to a target level yes, but also to learn to eat better and after some time using the app you'll have a good understanding of what you can eat and maintain weight, how much a cheat day can be without costing you, etc. So... drugs yes but the goal is lifelong change in diet as well.

I used to do Atkins and could lose weight fast on that but hit a wall after 20-30 pounds lost each time. Older I got the loss shrunk and it seemed like the fall and winter holiday months started adding more than I could lose later.

Watch your meds closely if you start a weight loss drug. Had a scare where my BP was crashing after moderate to heavy exercise. Turned out I had to drop one BP drug entirely as it was clashing with the Wegovy i am taking.

In my poor college days I could eat like a horse and not gain anything. Metabolism's change and that varies a huge amount from person to person. Obese folks can eat better than someone much thinner and not lose any weight. Doesn't have to involve diabetes either. This is why I said don't see a regular doctor or dietician--see a weight loss specialist doctor. They are best equipped to ID who and where you are and work to give you what you need.

 

[jryoung]

Like the last shot big pharma pushed on us we really don't know the long term affects so I'll pass. If you're taking it to lose weight and are barfing in the trash can it might be a sign...

Now the old "Show em' your o-face" line has a whole new meaning

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Comparing peptides to mRNA is....well....like scoring a touchdown in hockey with a tennis racket. Tabloid level photo is a nice touch too.

 

[rogerthat]

My opinion is the obesity crisis around the entire world is caused by the constant pussification of society. It's too hard for people to practice self-control or discipline, and too hard to enact the change they want by dedicating themselves to physical activity and a healthy diet. It is now on par to being a racist, sexist, etc. to make any statement about someone else's weight being unhealthy, you will even get called a bigot if your preference in a partner is someone who stays in shape. And I'm not talking the guys who have NO FATTIES stickers on their truck, just someone who prefers a partner that is physically active. Society's general wokeness has led to a collapse of healthcare as all these morbidly obese people clog it up with the countless health issues they cause themselves. As for the weight loss drugs? If it works for them, great, but using it strictly as weight loss drug because you lack the willpower or content of character to make changes for yourself, thereby reducing the amount of the drugs available to those who actually need it, is pretty deplorable to me.

Move south from Canada maybe? Just an idea. Trudeauism doesn’t exist everywhere

 

[ShootsManyBullets]

Comparing peptides to mRNA is....well....like scoring a touchdown in hockey with a tennis racket. Tabloid level photo is a nice touch too.

Take all the mRNA you want. I'll still pass on both. The quick fixes for weight loss usually come at a price - one we don't know yet.