Unreconcilable?

[BigHornRam]

Except what is it going to run on??

Natural gas that heats your home already. If we don't have natural gas then we will be cold and in the dark. Very possible outcome as well. Propane could be stored for emergency, but shortages and price hikes are hitting that energy source as we speak. Bumpy road ahead I am predicting.

Gassed out: Propane prices may skyrocket this winter - Washington Examiner

Propane prices could soar as much as 100% this winter, leaving millions of rural people to bundle up or shell out thousands of dollars to heat their homes. The average wholesale price per gallon of propane is currently a dollar higher than this time last year, having increased from around $0.60...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Ben Lamb]

Natural gas that heats your home already. If we don't have natural gas then we will be cold and in the dark. Very possible outcome as well. Propane could be stored for emergency as well, but shortages and price hikes are hitting that energy source as well. Bumpy road ahead I am predicting.

The recently passed infrastructure bill has a significant investment in electrification and grid upgrades.

Nuclear is a viable option but the left needs to get over themselves and we should recognize that it's not a fast fix for the issue. Natural gas is plentiful and cheap, and the industry itself has chosen the fuel as the bridge away from coal.

Geothermal remains expensive on the upfront costs, but pencils out after a few years. New construction both in residential and commercial can incorporate a lot of small grid potential for localized production, rather than the massive plants we're used too.

 

[BigHornRam]

The recently passed infrastructure bill has a significant investment in electrification and grid upgrades.

Nuclear is a viable option but the left needs to get over themselves and we should recognize that it's not a fast fix for the issue. Natural gas is plentiful and cheap, and the industry itself has chosen the fuel as the bridge away from coal.

Geothermal remains expensive on the upfront costs, but pencils out after a few years. New construction both in residential and commercial can incorporate a lot of small grid potential for localized production, rather than the massive plants we're used too.

Infrastructure bill is Washington pork buffet at its finest. More debt for future generations to deal with.

Natural gas prices are rising well beyond already high inflation rate. Cold winter and shortages are a possibility. Might want to focus on next few months, and stop pissing away money on pie in the sky.

Natural gas prices are rising and could be the most expensive in 13 years this winter

Natural gas prices have doubled this year and are expected to rise more, resulting in larger heating bills for some consumers and higher costs for utilities.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Ben Lamb]

Proving yet again that a lack of understanding of what's in a bill leads to just silly statements.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Coal is by far the best way to make electricity.

Markets have spoken and gas beats coal by a mile. NextGen nukes better than either.

 

[BigHornRam]

Proving yet again that a lack of understanding of what's in a bill leads to just silly statements.

About 3% of this 1.2 Trillion dollar bill. If these are the highlights, I hate to see the really dumb things it will fund.

The legislation provides $7.5 billion to help set up a national EV charging system and $5 billion for electric school buses. It also contains $6 billion for battery material processing grants and battery manufacturing and recycling grants.

Other provisions in the bill include:

• $8 billion to set up at least four "clean" hydrogen hubs;
• $6 billion in subsidies for uneconomic nuclear power plants;
• $3.5 billion to establish four hubs for removing carbon dioxide from the air; and,
• $2.1 billion for a loan program for carbon dioxide transportation.

 

[BigHornRam]

Markets have spoken and gas beats coal by a mile. NextGen nukes better than either.

China would beg to differ right now.

Faced with a power crisis, China may have ‘little choice’ but to ramp up coal consumption

China has to balance an immediate need to keep the lights on — via more coal — and its ambitious decarbonization targets, said Gavin Thompson of Wood Mackenzie.

www.cnbc.com

 

[BigHornRam]

Don't worry @4ohSick . Nancy's working on your tax cuts for the rich.

Moderate Democrats want the $3.5 trillion spending plan to remove the limit on state and local tax deductions

A fight over state and local tax deductions, known as SALT, could be a hurdle in passing President Joe Biden's $3.5 trillion package.

www.cnbc.com

 

[4ohSick]

Don't worry @4ohSick . Nancy's working on your tax cuts for the rich.

Moderate Democrats want the $3.5 trillion spending plan to remove the limit on state and local tax deductions

A fight over state and local tax deductions, known as SALT, could be a hurdle in passing President Joe Biden's $3.5 trillion package.

www.cnbc.com

I have to imagine this would still have some benefit to upper-middle class working folks in high-tax states. But you're right, bad ideas aren't limited to either party.

 

[Ben Lamb]

About 3% of this 1.2 Trillion dollar bill. If these are the highlights, I hate to see the really dumb things it will fund.

The legislation provides $7.5 billion to help set up a national EV charging system and $5 billion for electric school buses. It also contains $6 billion for battery material processing grants and battery manufacturing and recycling grants.

Other provisions in the bill include:

• $8 billion to set up at least four "clean" hydrogen hubs;
• $6 billion in subsidies for uneconomic nuclear power plants;
• $3.5 billion to establish four hubs for removing carbon dioxide from the air; and,
• $2.1 billion for a loan program for carbon dioxide transportation.

Admitting you haven't read the bill or understand what's in it while cherry picking a few things here & there is just lazy.

 

[BigHornRam]

I have to imagine this would still have some benefit to upper-middle class working folks in high-tax states. But you're right, bad ideas aren't limited to either party.

Big reason why hard working smart people are leaving high tax states like California, New York, and New Jersey. No incentive to put up with that anymore.

 

[BigHornRam]

Admitting you haven't read the bill or understand what's in it while cherry picking a few things here & there is just lazy.

That fact that you blindly support this boondoggle is more proof of our unreconcilable differences, Ben. Best of luck to you and your POV. Own it. No crying when it blows up on you, though.

 

[VikingsGuy]

China would beg to differ right now.

Faced with a power crisis, China may have ‘little choice’ but to ramp up coal consumption

China has to balance an immediate need to keep the lights on — via more coal — and its ambitious decarbonization targets, said Gavin Thompson of Wood Mackenzie.

www.cnbc.com

This says nothing about "best" - it is driven by relative ease to import - which is only one consideration when labeling an energy source "the best".

 

[406dn]

Natural gas that heats your home already. If we don't have natural gas then we will be cold and in the dark. Very possible outcome as well. Propane could be stored for emergency, but shortages and price hikes are hitting that energy source as we speak. Bumpy road ahead I am predicting.

Gassed out: Propane prices may skyrocket this winter - Washington Examiner

Propane prices could soar as much as 100% this winter, leaving millions of rural people to bundle up or shell out thousands of dollars to heat their homes. The average wholesale price per gallon of propane is currently a dollar higher than this time last year, having increased from around $0.60...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Propane and natural gas aren't interchangeable. The generator would need a burner change out each time you switched fuel.

A consideration when we bought our present home was having natural gas vs relying on propane. Propane costs are well known to be volatile. I remember from my refinery days when the price of propane leaving the refinery was around a nickel a gallon plus freight. Then in the winter, well that price was long gone.

You can compress natural gas pretty easily. Propane is already compressed into a liquid, no where to go after that. That limits how much propane can be held in reserve at any given time.

 

[Ben Lamb]

That fact that you blindly support this boondoggle is more proof of our unreconcilable differences, Ben. Best of luck to you and your POV. Own it. No crying when it blows up on you, though.

Thanks for your cooperation in showing how people can be unreasonable and live in their own bubble.

 

[TOGIE]

man does nobody like the word "irreconcilable" instead?

i think like that one more...

 

[BigHornRam]

Propane and natural gas aren't interchangeable. The generator would need a burner change out each time you switched fuel.

A consideration when we bought our present home was having natural gas vs relying on propane. Propane costs are well known to be volatile. I remember from my refinery days when the price of propane leaving the refinery was around a nickel a gallon plus freight. Then in the winter, well that price was long gone.

You can compress natural gas pretty easily. Propane is already compressed into a liquid, no where to go after that. That limits how much propane can be held in reserve at any given time.

I've lived in houses with propane, and houses with natural gas. Agree that natural gas is a better option if it is available. Also best to own your propane tank and not rent, so you can shop for competitive prices. Also fill in the summer when prices are lowest. I've mostly heated with wood for many years and propane was used for supplemental heat and water heating.

People need to brace for much higher energy prices and shortages in the near future. Would you agree?

 

[BigHornRam]

man does nobody like the word "irreconcilable" instead?

i think like that one more...

I was just trying to keep it on topic....

 

[406dn]

People need to brace for much higher energy prices and shortages in the near future. Would you agree?

Part of me hopes so, it would raise the stock price of my former employer. Kidding, sorta, maybe mostly.

There are still cards to play. One would be tapping into the Strategic reserve. I'm not sure how I feel about doing that. That would partly answer any oil shortage.

Visiting with a neighbor recently, he works in the Bakken, he said they are very busy. A bottleneck...replacing all of the people from the layoff when prices dropped.

It would not shock me to see prices quite a bit higher. I'm old enough to have lived thru the Arab oil embargo and all that entailed. So it seems like another lap around the track.

 

[Irrelevant]

man does nobody like the word "irreconcilable" instead?

i think like that one more...