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Yeah, trying to come up with something without sounding like hunters are inherently stupid and need to be told this stuff will be a challenge, and a little embarrassing - but they understood that and I think the CAC is a good crew. They were proposing anecdotes to explain ethical situations. As I mentioned earlier, a lot of people don't know what they are getting into when they go hunt the get down on the flats. Stuff that is ok in a group of two or three becomes disgusting in a group of 10 or more.It's embarassing something like this is even needed. mtmuley