The housing shortage and public lands

[Trap]

Perhaps we should keep in mind that everyone who lives in the West is relatively NEW from certain perspectives. I think that I'm the 15th generation to live on this contentment from England (1607 or 414 years; most European settlement came after that). However Spanish settlement was here just over a hundred years prior to my families’ arrival and the Native Americans was perhaps 15,000 years ago. We are all relatively new commers to this land.

Often increased populations are what changes the political course and direction of an area vs just political affiliation. It is inevitable. For example, just look at the Western settlement. Settlers started to displace the First Peoples and the mountain men. Settlers were the greenhorns and were considered problemated citizens. Railroads and the Cattle industry brought more people displaced many of those first settlers, put up fences and displaced the wildlife. Crime increased with the population boom especialliy in the towns and to be honest the lack of female governance in early Western Settler’s lives. If fact, perceived widespread lawlessness in any City in America today would still be characterized as the “Wild West”. Once families were established in the West, new rules were put into place changing how things were done in Western towns. Now Western towns are being repopulated and things are changing again to accommodate the increased number of people.

So you think things should change? I kinda thought people were moving west for what they consider a better life or environment? You're right lets "accommodate" all the new comers fleeing a bad environment they at least partially helped create. I don't get it. Lets leave this place it sucks and go to this new great place. Ok I am here now lets change stuff to be like where I came from. Definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You're right we all were new comers at some point. So lets accommodate all these new people and do it their way? To be clear-I don't blame anyone for moving to where I live. Its awesome if I lived in some of those cities I would do the same thing asap. I dont care where people are from I judge people for their own actions. I am not going to accommodate anyone who comes here from a crappy place and immediately wants to change things because "thats how we did it there " attitude. I would never interfere with someone's political views/rights but this should include voting-see the definition of insanity If you elected Nancy Pelosi and you move to your new state and vote for the new Nancy Pelosi should you expect different results? I dont know I am basically over this-nothing I can do to stop the migration but if you move to a conservative state you might want to at least re-think about what your previous voting record accomplished.

 

[Trap]

Actually read the article. He bought into IPO's that aren't available to the average retail investor and got preferential share prices. So no, not anyone could do that.

Really I did not see that(ipo) in the article? but I read where he bought early stock in fb-the "preferential" ipo price only available to the priveleged was $38-It quickly tanked to 17 a share where us peasants could buy it. I know for a fact I could have purchased fb in the teens? lot cheaper than the preferential price.

 

[Gerald Martin]

I have seen seen and experienced the East. Montana needs more grizz, not less.

 

[Wildabeest]

Stupid long song (14+ minutes), but so is this thread.

Good ballad about settling the west.

 

[cedahm]

Maybe institute a sort of electoral college to keep massively liberal metro (Denver, etc.) from dominating the entire state?

That was attempted on a CO state ballot initiative that failed in 2004. The more interesting part of that failed amendment in today's lens is that was introduced and initially supported by the Blue party.

Really I did not see that(ipo) in the article? but I read where he bought early stock in fb-the "preferential" ipo price only available to the priveleged was $38-It quickly tanked to 17 a share where us peasants could buy it. I know for a fact I could have purchased fb in the teens? lot cheaper than the preferential price.

One of the finance gurus can probably go deeper, but Thiel founded and ran PayPal and orchestrated the acquisition by eBay. It’s not like he picked a good stock and ran 2 grand into billions.

Outside of ‘opening a Roth IRA’, nothing Thiel did to build that amount of value and then shelter the gains from taxation on same was available to an average retail investor that’s picking stocks. This guy founded what became a massive company in the heights of the internet boom, took it public, sold it to a bigger massive company, started a hedge fund, then was an angel investor in a third massive company (FB) when he initially got 10% of the company for a $500K investment.

I think Thiel was smart as hell, but there is no fair comparison to your average ditch digger, school teacher, etc.

 

[westbranch]

Really I did not see that(ipo) in the article? but I read where he bought early stock in fb-the "preferential" ipo price only available to the priveleged was $38-It quickly tanked to 17 a share where us peasants could buy it. I know for a fact I could have purchased fb in the teens? lot cheaper than the preferential price.

He was buying stock in PayPal when it was a private start-up company. Long before the IPO. SEC records show that he bought 1.7 million shares for $1,700 in 1999 in his Roth. No other contributions made. Once ebay bought PayPal he was able to buy other start up shares in companies like Palantir and FB. He bought FB shares in 2004 for way less than anything it has traded at on public exchanges. Preferential prices were pennies per share, or less than pennies.

 

[Trap]

He was buying stock in PayPal when it was a private start-up company. Long before the IPO. SEC records show that he bought 1.7 million shares for $1,700 in 1999 in his Roth. No other contributions made. Once ebay bought PayPal he was able to buy other start up shares in companies like Palantir and FB. He bought FB shares in 2004 for way less than anything it has traded at on public exchanges. Preferential prices were pennies per share, or less than pennies

He was buying stock in PayPal when it was a private start-up company. Long before the IPO. SEC records show that he bought 1.7 million shares for $1,700 in 1999 in his Roth. No other contributions made. Once ebay bought PayPal he was able to buy other start up shares in companies like Palantir and FB. He bought FB shares in 2004 for way less than anything it has traded at on public exchanges. Preferential prices were pennies per share, or less than pennies.

Ok definitely a little different than buying ipo’s I never really followed this guy’s history. He still did what anyone of us can do. He met the income limit and funded a Roth with shares in a company he co founded. Anyone that’s meets the income limit can fund a Roth and anyone can start a company. He wasn’t given pay pal he was part of creating it. I’m not technologically smart enough to do an internet start up but I’m not pissed off because he is. That’s my only point. We all have the rights to create massive wealth we just don’t all have the ability. I’m good I don’t need 5 billion -around 20 million or so would be nice though

 

[Trap]

That was attempted on a CO state ballot initiative that failed in 2004. The more interesting part of that failed amendment in today's lens is that was introduced and initially supported by the Blue party.

One of the finance gurus can probably go deeper, but Thiel founded and ran PayPal and orchestrated the acquisition by eBay. It’s not like he picked a good stock and ran 2 grand into billions.

Outside of ‘opening a Roth IRA’, nothing Thiel did to build that amount of value and then shelter the gains from taxation on same was available to an average retail investor that’s picking stocks. This guy founded what became a massive company in the heights of the internet boom, took it public, sold it to a bigger massive company, started a hedge fund, then was an angel investor in a third massive company (FB) when he initially got 10% of the company for a $500M investment.

I think Thiel was smart as hell, but there is no fair comparison to your average ditch digger, school teacher, etc.

Any school teacher or ditch digger can actually start a company. We all can’t start a pay pal like company because we all have different abilities. It’s available to everyone though

 

[Boarmaster]

A correction will come. It always does. Sometimes it takes longer than common sense dictates, but it will come.

You can bet on that correction. The market always cycles and each time people say oh its different this time and it will just keep going up. And yes it is different each time but the result is the same. Low inventory and high prices to high inventory to lower prices.

 

[Boarmaster]

I was just talking to a guy that moved to the valley 4 years ago and now complaining about all the folks moving here.

Strange times

Same thing down here in southwest florida . Everyone thinks their subdivision should have been the last one built. When I hear people complaining I ask where they live.
My usual response is oh yes I know that area well. I used to hunt there back in the 80s.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

I have seen seen and experienced the East. Montana needs more grizz, not less.

All I'm saying if MFWP has some extra... wouldn't hate it if they ended up in CO.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

Nope, I WAS moved here and was perfectly happy with the politics of the state and did no such thing. I do not care whatsoever about folks individual politics. As stated at the beginning, what I DO care about is people who come from places and situations (especially the large metro portions of CA) that have be effectively crippled by horrible social, governmental and ecological policies and then go about starting the same operations here. Huge difference between joining and embracing what was here.

My "embracing what was here" is the idea that there is a plurality of view points. I can't speak for the Springs.

I grew up on the western slope at that time my high school was rancher's kids, hippy kids, and immigrant kids.

There was a Rasta city councilman in Telluride, Hunter S. Thompson had almost become the sheriff of the county over, and my wife whose dad was a hard right rancher was bringing elk meat over to her hard left best friends mom's solstice party.

We lost spring bear hunting in 92' so I'm not shocked wolves passed. Pissed but not shocked.

I do feel like we are losing a lot of that weird, that I love, because western towns are being subjected to the "ticky tacky" of the rest of the nation.

If there is a single place in CO I loath it's not boulder it's Highlands Ranch. If there is something that we are importing from CA that is destroying the state it's Highlands Ranch.

 

[Fullquiver]

Don't discount the Cuban people - I wached them do some amazing things inorder to relinquish their freedom..

There I fixed it for you...

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

So you think things should change? I kinda thought people were moving west for what they consider a better life or environment? You're right lets "accommodate" all the new comers fleeing a bad environment they at least partially helped create. I don't get it. Lets leave this place it sucks and go to this new great place. Ok I am here now lets change stuff to be like where I came from. Definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You're right we all were new comers at some point. So lets accommodate all these new people and do it their way? To be clear-I don't blame anyone for moving to where I live. Its awesome if I lived in some of those cities I would do the same thing asap. I dont care where people are from I judge people for their own actions. I am not going to accommodate anyone who comes here from a crappy place and immediately wants to change things because "thats how we did it there " attitude. I would never interfere with someone's political views/rights but this should include voting-see the definition of insanity If you elected Nancy Pelosi and you move to your new state and vote for the new Nancy Pelosi should you expect different results? I dont know I am basically over this-nothing I can do to stop the migration but if you move to a conservative state you might want to at least re-think about what your previous voting record accomplished.

I don't think that we have to accommodate anything. None of us has a choice in this other than the one to accept it and move on or not accept it and become that strange guy in the corner always railing about something that he/she has no control over in the first place.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

There I fixed it for you...

Rude... I know for sure that one of us actually lived in Cuba

 

[Otto Matic]

Any school teacher or ditch digger can actually start a company. We all can’t start a pay pal like company because we all have different abilities. It’s available to everyone though

Sometimes, fecal matter just "happens"!
Worked with a guy who ran a trucking company "on the side". It literally "fell" into his lap. A new company needed a haul job, he had a truck. Pretty soon, he had several trucks and a business.
A distant cousin had an idea for a flexible elbow to use in the "oil patch". Several years down the road, the man manufactures the elbows, no longer "works" in the oil patch and is a millionaire.
Met a man who knew someone who knew some one who knew someone.
He was asked if he could build a circuit board for a military weapon system that was unaffected by vibration and shock. He hired 5 women, taught them how to run the small machines and is now the ONLY producer in the US to make that particular, critical, part. They work out of a residential home is Smalltown, America.
I can show you a tiny machine shop in an abandoned building in a (almost!) ghost town that makes parts necessary in the oil patch.

Sometimes, fortune finds us. My "fortune" got lost somewhere! LOL!

 

[Fullquiver]

Rude... I know for sure that one of us actually lived in Cuba

Maybe more than one...

 

[BigHornRam]

#runsomeoneicanvotefor

You want free and fair elections AND qualified candidates?

 

[BigHornRam]

You are looking in the rear view mirror. LOL

"Tanking"

Hitting bottom? Lumber's price is down 55%, but rebound looms

On Friday, the price of lumber notched its sixth consecutive week of decline, but wildfires could drive prices back up.

fortune.com

 

[TOGIE]

If there is a single place in CO I loath it's not boulder it's Highlands Ranch. If there is something that we are importing from CA that is destroying the state it's Highlands Ranch.

ain't that the truth.

boulder is as boulder as it's ever been. not necessarily more or less.

some admirable things about boulder too - that city has stymied outward growth and prioritized open space more than just about any city/county in the state and probably beyond