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Doublecluck said:
Yes, my own observation, I have 4 kids in public schools, I’m a product of public schools, and have employed over 100 people 18-25 in the last 20 years with high school and college educations. Had I not been lucky enough to meet my first “teacher” in the 11th grade which happened to teach US history and economics and have a uncle who is a history professor I wouldn’t know anything of US history. Please prove me wrong, Go out in to the crowd tearing down a statue and ask them to cite the 3 branches of government.
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Damn these lazy kids... https://www.businessinsider.com/the...-they-all-made-their-fortunes-in-tech-2015-11
 
Doublecluck said:
Yes, my own observation, I have 4 kids in public schools, I’m a product of public schools, and have employed over 100 people 18-25 in the last 20 years with high school and college educations. Had I not been lucky enough to meet my first “teacher” in the 11th grade which happened to teach US history and economics and have a uncle who is a history professor I wouldn’t know anything of US history. Please prove me wrong, Go out in to the crowd tearing down a statue and ask them to cite the 3 branches of government.
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Seems like it was your education that was lacking since anecdotal experience is not a reliable source.

Signed, millennial with a history degree.
 
Dave N said:
1,000 "atta-boys" are wiped out by 1 "oh, damn".
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The real trouble is that at the times these people committed "oh, damn's", societal paradigms did not indicate that these were "oh, damn's" at all. This CERTAINLY doesn't excuse the poor behaviors of anyone throughout history, but it lends understanding to how these people became revered even though they had done "oh, damn's". So it's not as if society saw these people as bad and then held them up as great influential people - they were good people according to society at that time.
 
Ben Lamb said:
This is how things work today. Not how they worked in the past. Again, with the changes that were largely instituted by Reagan, we've put those shareholders ahead of everyone else and it has created a massive inequity problem. But the reality is the business model you put forward is a short-term strategy that has led to off-shoring jobs, off-shoring profits, increased dependency on welfare programs for workers (Wal-Mart, etc) and placing the profit motive above all else, including civic duty.

Which precisely what folks who make tons of money want.

The flipside of that was what Ike had - which led to better pay for the middle class, which had a longer-term effect on elevating generations out of poverty, increased consumer spending & a sustainable housing market, as well as better governance, less reliance on SSI for retirement, etc.

So it's a question of priorities: Do you want short-term gains of stockholders to constantly outweigh the ability of the working class to actually grow and increase their own wealth? We've seen what 40 years of the model you like has produced - massive inequality and a declining middle-class, home-ownership as a pipe dream for at least 2 generations, shifting the cost of business to the taxpayer in the form of massive welfare programs that had traditionally been paid for through company retirement & good health plans, etc.

We've seen what Eisenhower's model produced: Massive economic growth for the working class and middle class, innovation and increased sustainability for those who work for a living, strong manufacturing sectors, solid GDP, strong economic factors that spurred new businesses and strong main-streets where small businesses thrived.
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The rich may be richer today. Guess what, the poor are a lot richer too. Would you rather be poor in the US or poor in Venezuela? It isn't a perfect system but it is much better than most if not all. What changes do you propose to make the system better?
 
LWC55 said:
Appears our economy was a hell of a lot better off 60 years ago....at least for the masses. Sounds like smaller government and less regulations are key to the success for those that aren't born with a silver spoon.
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Wrong, read the article that JLS posted, twice so it sinks in.

Could have something to do with not every corporate decision being about how many MORE millions we have to make each quarter, employees looked at as a liability versus an asset, and sharing success with those making you that way...

Carry on...
 
rwc101 said:
Seems like it was your education that was lacking since anecdotal experience is not a reliable source.

Signed, millennial with a history degree.
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hahaha, I would hope someone with a history degree knew history, my comment was directed at general education and general knowledge of the US system of government, it’s citizens role in bringing change thru Votes and representatives. Furthermore the scam where universities are handing out degrees in subjects there are no jobs for and students acquiring massive debts.

Signed born in 1980 (whatever that makes me) with a high school education and still making more money than 99% of history majors and don’t have any debt.. own my truck, boat, 20 guns, 2 bows, etc etc etc..
 
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BuzzH said:
Wrong, read the article that JLS posted, twice so it sinks in.

Could have something to do with not every corporate decision being about how many MORE millions we have to make each quarter, employees looked at as a liability versus an asset, and sharing success with those making you that way...

Carry on...
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So is a capitalistic mindset to blame? What is the fix?
 
LWC55 said:
The rich may be richer today. Guess what, the poor are a lot richer too. Would you rather be poor in the US or poor in Venezuela? It isn't a perfect system but it is much better than most if not all. What changes do you propose to make the system better?
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This is a false dichotomy. It also fails to recognize what poverty in the USA really looks like. There are no shortage of people in this nation, regardless of color, who are less than one paycheck away from homelessness. If fais to recognize our economic system that enables the subjection of people by sucking up all of their meager earnings just to scrape by w/ a roof over their heads. That's the same in the projects as it is in the hollers of Appalachia.

If you're a single mother working 4 part time jobs with no health benefits or retirement and you're still below the poverty line, is that the fault of the person, or the system that creates this kind of servitude?

As I've said, return to a nation where we don't love money more than our fellow countrymen, work towards a better system for all Americans, not just the ones who can afford the best lobbyists, and bring back Eisenhower's tax structure if you want to maintain pure capitalism.

If you want to lessen the burden to small business owners and increase their ability to pay the hired help a decent wage, then give us a nationalized health service so the employer isn't footing the bill for healthcare and 1/3 of Medicare/medicaid. There are plenty of studies and conservative cases for a NHS that bear out that this is the fiscally conservative approach to healthcare.

If you want to spur innovation and also increase wages, then tax cap gains at the same rate that you tax income. That alone will shift money into the hands of the workers and middle-class.

If you want to reduce welfare spending, then increase school funding. Provide a path forward for people in poverty in trades, work-programs that fund education, etc. Free secondary education isn't free. it's an investment in our nation for future productivity and strength. Focusing on low taxes for corporations is why we end up with the deficit spending we have now, on top of the largest inequality of wealth that the world has seen since the middle-ages.

Right now, we have corporations who want to subjugate us, while hiding trillions of dollars off-shore to avoid being actual citizens. We spent decades sending our manufacturing overseas because Chinese plants could make it cheaper and increase profits, rather than focus on quality and a strong nation.

Capitalism can save us, but we need to take it back from the looters and grifters.
 
Doublecluck said:
Signed born in 1980 (whatever that makes me) with a high school education and still making more money than 99% of history majors and don’t have any debt.. own my truck, boat, 20 guns, 2 bows, etc etc etc..
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BigHornRam said:
I'm just an average guy and wouldn't trade places with Bezos, Gates, ect. IMO I am way richer than any of them. You might have envy, but I sure don't.
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Who said I had envy? Don’t put word in my mouth.
 
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