Splitting points in WY

[Elktrack]

Also, I know a guy who wanted out of the points game this year and it was his "use them or lose them year".

This other guy wanted to hunt with his nephew, but they didn't have enough points.

So, the guy and his nephew applied as a group of three and split the regular priced cost of the 1st guys tag and now they are elk hunting (and for cheaper than the special tag might I add).

The guy giving up his points has a tag and never intends to leave his home state. So, this is 100% for sure happening.

Also, I should mention that the guy and his nephew have decided to keep up the guys 6 deer and antelope points to use them next season as well.....

I’ve got no problem with that necessarily. It’s when a guy with no points decides he wants to hunt and can make a phone call to the right people and get hooked up with their pool of point splitters that I start to get a case of red ass. Especially when some of these people with points never accumulate them with the intention of hunting but accumulated them strictly for the purpose of selling them off via a point split scam.
You gotta hand it to the outfitters that had the foresight to start building a pool of people with points for future clients.

 

[seeth07]

I'm guessing it will likely never change. Someone brought it up I'm sure to a meeting and afterwards, someone at Wyoming Fish and Game looked into how many preference point buyers they would lose in a year and as a result, the amount of money they would lose each year. I don't see it happening. They lose that money just because for some people:

Just doesn’t sit right with me.

and get hooked up with their pool of point splitters that I start to get a case of red ass.

 

[rjthehunter]

I doubt WY will do anything about it. They sell more PP by allowing it!

 

[elkantlers]

My wife and I have both have 11 Elk and 11 Antelope points in Wyoming this year.

If someone said to my wife and I that they would offer us a hunt on a great private ranch in trade for half our points....we would likely take it. Who wouldn't? Funny thing is, we are not even looking for 350+" bulls. We would likely settle for 300" bulls.

Not the type of hunt we prefer but if someone approached us with the right deal, we would probably take it. We will likely have 1 chance to hunt Wyoming with these many points in our lifetime. Maybe a general tag after this. But the reality is, we will explore all options because there is a bubble of applicants directly behind us that you will not overcome in 20-30 years.

Our other plan pushes us into the jaws of the potential looming 90/10 DEA which is going to be pushed heavily and will be catastrophic for NR if it passes. We would prefer to be out of the Wyoming game when that happens.

I have 19 deer points and I can't say I wouldn't consider a really, really good offer. If it benefits both parties, and it's legal, then why not?

 

[Johnny Bravo]

My wife and I have both have 11 Elk and 11 Antelope points in Wyoming this year.

If someone said to my wife and I that they would offer us a hunt on a great private ranch in trade for half our points....we would likely take it. Who wouldn't? Funny thing is, we are not even looking for 350+" bulls. We would likely settle for 300" bulls.

Not the type of hunt we prefer but if someone approached us with the right deal, we would probably take it. We will likely have 1 chance to hunt Wyoming with these many points in our lifetime. Maybe a general tag after this. But the reality is, we will explore all options because there is a bubble of applicants directly behind us that you will not overcome in 20-30 years.

Our other plan pushes us into the jaws of the potential looming 90/10 DEA which is going to be pushed heavily and will be catastrophic for NR if it passes. We would prefer to be out of the Wyoming game when that happens.

Almost Exactly what I said 10 posts ago….i have 11 as well for deer / lope and I would do this no questions asked. I don’t even call it shady…it’s what it is, supply and demand.

 

[Elktrack]

I'm guessing it will likely never change. Someone brought it up I'm sure to a meeting and afterwards, someone at Wyoming Fish and Game looked into how many preference point buyers they would lose in a year and as a result, the amount of money they would lose each year. I don't see it happening. They lose that money just because for some people:

I agree with you, it’s not changing.
Just to clarify though, the reason it doesn’t sit right with me is because I believe it’s undermining the integrity of the system and is getting into the area of wildlife going to the guy with the most money (not a new thing).
I’m not naive and I know the real world runs on money and the people with more of it get to do more things. I’m all for it. And if I had a chunk to spend on it I could do the same thing. It sounds like I’m whining about it because I can’t do it myself but it really has more to do with the shady deals surrounding a few. Point splitting itself is a good thing. Ethics in hunting get fuzzy really easily. Maybe I am naive and am just getting tired of seeing what I consider abuses within our system.

 

[Elktrack]

Almost Exactly what I said 10 posts ago….i have 11 as well for deer / lope and I would do this no questions asked. I don’t even call it shady…it’s what it is, supply and demand.

The difference is that you accumulated points with the intent of using them to hunt. You didn’t buy them because Joe Bob the outfitter is going to pay you thousands more for the points 5 years later.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

The difference is that you accumulated points with the intent of using them to hunt. You didn’t buy them because Joe Bob the outfitter is going to pay you thousands more for the points 5 years later.

Correct….

 

[seeth07]

The difference is that you accumulated points with the intent of using them to hunt. You didn’t buy them because Joe Bob the outfitter is going to pay you thousands more for the points 5 years later.

I'm guessing the perks aren't as great as you are envisioning.

Look at a few of the posts earlier in this thread. We are talking about getting paid basically somewhere in the range of 1-3k for your 5 years of points. The points still costed you for elk $250 over that time frame plus fees. You are also putting yourself at a pretty good risk of whether or not this decision to grab a general elk tag over one of the limited entry hunts costing you 10-15 points. Granted, the Wyoming general is still a dang good tag so I think the risk is low but there definitely is for sure a difference in the type of hunt as some of those 10-15 point elk hunts are pretty special.

 

[Treeshark]

I believe it’s undermining the integrity of the system

I agree. The Wyoming non-resident preference point system is one of the last truly pure, just and virtuous things left in all of North American hunting.

It breaks my heart to think there are heathens out there that would desecrate it like this. What are we teaching our children?

*PM me with elk offers, I have 9.

 

[mtmuley]

I agree. The Wyoming non-resident preference point system is one of the last truly pure, just and virtuous things left in all of North American hunting.

It breaks my heart to think there are heathens out there that would desecrate it like this. What are we teaching our children?

*PM me with elk offers, I have 9.

Wow. Weird seeing you and seeth all about this. mtmuley

 

[cgasner1]

Wow. Weird seeing you and seeth all about this. mtmuley

I’m checking that box next year and buying a phishing license. Couple guys will be foaming at the mouth for my elk points

 

[seeth07]

Wow. Weird seeing you and seeth all about this. mtmuley

Not really. I was fooled about 12 to 15 years ago that I needed to start amassing points galore across the western states. I've learned in that decade that preference points are just a horrible scam (and crap like this) and I'm in progress of using them up as quickly as possible without rebooting that process again

 

[Jape]

“Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching—even when doing the wrong thing is legal” Aldo Leopold.

There is no question the loophole exists to allow this behavior, it just makes me sad to see how commercialized hunting is becoming. This is actually a great argument in favor of the Idaho/New Mexico system eliminating PP.

 

[cgasner1]

“Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching—even when doing the wrong thing is legal” Aldo Leopold.

There is no question the loophole exists to allow this behavior, it just makes me sad to see how commercialized hunting is becoming. This is actually a great argument in favor of the Idaho/New Mexico system eliminating PP.

It’s like anything else it was set up with the best of intentions and people found a way to take advantage. Also I’m not against points but like that Colorado makes you go in at the lowest number if you do a party application

 

[Dan-06]

Boy, I’m glad I’m a wyo. resident and don’t have to deal with this mess.

 

[KRH]

Zero, everyone on this forum is generally pretty snotty. I forgot why I quit coming on here. Now I remember.

Sorry you’re offended but now I’m sure you’re from California!

 

[WapitiBob]

Boy, I’m glad I’m a wyo. resident and don’t have to deal with this mess.

it's a non issue

 

[Dakota79]

When these folks are splitting points does everybody apply in the same unit for the same license or can they split up and go all over the state?

 

[WapitiBob]

When these folks are splitting points does everybody apply in the same unit for the same license or can they split up and go all over the state?

It's a group app; same hunt area and avg points of all applicants.