Something smells fishy about Montana Elk Hunt..
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noharleyyet
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Too bad you mountain cowboys can't persuade your 'gummint regulators' to adopt some common sense. Hell we can shoot everything that moves down here in Mother Texas cept for mockingbirds and illegal mescan drugrunners. That's what you get for opening your borders to an overwhelming influx of Kallyforny do-gooders.
...that's stepMother Texas to you Jose.
...that's stepMother Texas to you Jose.
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Too bad you mountain cowboys can't persuade your 'gummint regulators' to adopt some common sense. Hell we can shoot everything that moves down here in Mother Texas cept for mockingbirds and illegal mescan drugrunners. That's what you get for opening your borders to an overwhelming influx of Kallyforny do-gooders.
...that's stepMother Texas to you Jose.
Its the federal government, not the state government that prohibits the killing of wolves. And if you had wolves in Texas, YOU WOULD be prohibited from shooting them there too.
JoseCuervo
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NO, it is the state of Wyoming's Welfare Ranchers in their legislature that couldn't come up with a plan to manage wolves that was acceptable.
Quit blaming the Federal Government for Wyoming's epic failures by their Welfare Ranchers.
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Looks like the "Welfare Ranchers" plan is not unacceptable to all...
Federal judge rules for Wyoming in wolf lawsuit
Associated Press The Billings Gazette | Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:24 pm |
CHEYENNE, Wyo. — A federal judge says the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service was wrong to refuse to turn management of gray wolves over to the state of Wyoming.
Judge Alan B. Johnson of Cheyenne on Thursday ordered the federal agency to consider again whether Wyoming's wolf management plan would be adequate to meet federal recovery goals for wolves.
Environmental groups and others have criticized the Wyoming plan for specifying that wolves would be classified as predators that could be shot on sight in most areas. The Wyoming plan would protect wolves only in the northwestern part of the state.
Concerns over Wyoming's plan recently prompted a federal judge in Montana to strip Idaho and Montana of their authority to manage their own wolf populations.
Federal judge rules for Wyoming in wolf lawsuit
Associated Press The Billings Gazette | Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:24 pm |
CHEYENNE, Wyo. — A federal judge says the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service was wrong to refuse to turn management of gray wolves over to the state of Wyoming.
Judge Alan B. Johnson of Cheyenne on Thursday ordered the federal agency to consider again whether Wyoming's wolf management plan would be adequate to meet federal recovery goals for wolves.
Environmental groups and others have criticized the Wyoming plan for specifying that wolves would be classified as predators that could be shot on sight in most areas. The Wyoming plan would protect wolves only in the northwestern part of the state.
Concerns over Wyoming's plan recently prompted a federal judge in Montana to strip Idaho and Montana of their authority to manage their own wolf populations.
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belly-deep
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No, it is a Federal law called THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT that prohibits someone from shooting a wolf...
It may be the fault of the WWR that they are still protected under the act, but it is in fact the Federal gov't that protects them.
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CHEYENNE -- A federal judge ruled Thursday that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wasn't justified in rejecting Wyoming's wolf management plan.
In his decision, U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson didn't require the FWS to accept Wyoming's plan. However, he stated that the FWS' insistence that Wyoming list wolves as a trophy games species throughout the entire state was "arbitrary and capricious" and should be set aside.
The state of Wyoming sued the FWS after the federal agency refused to accept the state's plan, which would allow unregulated killing of the animals over all but the northwest part of the state. Currently, all of Wyoming's wolves are listed as a federally endangered species, meaning it's unlawful to kill wolves anywhere in the state.
Johnson ruled that FWS should revisit whether Wyoming's proposed trophy game management area in the state's northwest corner is sufficient to ensure wolf populations are maintained and protected, or whether the state's proposed boundaries should be expanded.
Since being reintroduced to Yellowstone National Park in 1995, wolf populations in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana have grown to about 1,700. Wyoming had about 320 wolves at the end of 2009, with 224 of those outside Yellowstone National Park.
FWS spokesman Leith Edgar said the agency is reviewing the ruling. Edgar said "it's too soon to tell" whether they will appeal the case.
"At this point, the lawyers are looking at it, and they'll make a decision," he said.
Wyoming Attorney General Bruce Salzburg said while he was happy with the decision, he expected the FWS to appeal the case.
"With the history of wolf litigation in Wyoming, it's silly to think that this is the end of it," he said.
The ruling comes in the wake of an August federal court ruling in Montana that overturned wolf management plans in Montana and Idaho on the grounds that protections for the same population can't vary by state.
Salzburg said he didn't see any conflict between the Montana ruling and the Wyoming ruling.
"The two decisions can co-exist," he said.
In his decision, U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson didn't require the FWS to accept Wyoming's plan. However, he stated that the FWS' insistence that Wyoming list wolves as a trophy games species throughout the entire state was "arbitrary and capricious" and should be set aside.
The state of Wyoming sued the FWS after the federal agency refused to accept the state's plan, which would allow unregulated killing of the animals over all but the northwest part of the state. Currently, all of Wyoming's wolves are listed as a federally endangered species, meaning it's unlawful to kill wolves anywhere in the state.
Johnson ruled that FWS should revisit whether Wyoming's proposed trophy game management area in the state's northwest corner is sufficient to ensure wolf populations are maintained and protected, or whether the state's proposed boundaries should be expanded.
Since being reintroduced to Yellowstone National Park in 1995, wolf populations in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana have grown to about 1,700. Wyoming had about 320 wolves at the end of 2009, with 224 of those outside Yellowstone National Park.
FWS spokesman Leith Edgar said the agency is reviewing the ruling. Edgar said "it's too soon to tell" whether they will appeal the case.
"At this point, the lawyers are looking at it, and they'll make a decision," he said.
Wyoming Attorney General Bruce Salzburg said while he was happy with the decision, he expected the FWS to appeal the case.
"With the history of wolf litigation in Wyoming, it's silly to think that this is the end of it," he said.
The ruling comes in the wake of an August federal court ruling in Montana that overturned wolf management plans in Montana and Idaho on the grounds that protections for the same population can't vary by state.
Salzburg said he didn't see any conflict between the Montana ruling and the Wyoming ruling.
"The two decisions can co-exist," he said.
JoseCuervo
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So you are blaming the Federal Government for enforcing a Federal Law??? In your best barstool discussion session, just who do you think should be enforcing Federal Laws?
In your imaginary world, who enforces the Lacey Act for poachers?
Judge Malloy was pretty clear that all three states had to have plans to manage the wolves in accourdance to the law. The Welfare Ranchers in Wyoming's legislature screwed this up, big time, for Idaho and Montana.
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What are you even talking about? First, I state that it is Federal law that protects wolves. Then you state it isn't. Now you're admitting that it is?
I know you're drunk all the time, but still. You make no sense.
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what in the hell is a Welfare Rancher?
shoots-straight
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If this isn't confussing enough. First the WS did approve Wyoming's plan, then, the enviros' challenged Wyoming's plan as it being not in compliance with the ES act. The enviro's won the suit. Then Wyoming re-submitted basically the same plan, which WS had to turn down according to the last lawsuit. Now a judge says that the WS should have considered a plan that a judge said wouldn't work! OK, I got it.
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it makes about as much sense as jose does
JoseCuervo
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Which part is too complicated for you?
I will try and type slower in the future for you.
Or use a bigger font so you can follow along.
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Yes, please do that in all of your posts from now on.
wolf killing
i live near kalispell i feed the birds, that brings in the deer. the deer population is down significantly south of kalispell i have lived here for 16 years and have fed birds 15 of those years so we have tracked the deer population that long since the wolves were introduced we have seen a drop think it's related? i do
i live near kalispell i feed the birds, that brings in the deer. the deer population is down significantly south of kalispell i have lived here for 16 years and have fed birds 15 of those years so we have tracked the deer population that long since the wolves were introduced we have seen a drop think it's related? i do
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