Smart Man

[Moosie]

By Shrub I'm guessing you mean Bush ? I'll call BS on the Common Sense part. I would say he knows about the common people and he does do some work (As much as a rich individual can do). I wasn't here for the Bush V's Kerry crap that spewed out in this place but I know that Kerry was a well molded individual that had some Elaborate Ideas.... But can you honestly say He's do a better job ? He's be held up with the Government crap everyone else is held up with. If you look at the Cost of Designing a Road for a Developer V's for the Government with all the Beaurocracy chit we have to do, You can Add a 10x Mulitplyer. Which isn't much for a 100k roadway reconstruction but a 4 mil bridge reconstruction. What a Fuggin Waste. I think we should have gotten that little Witty Perot in Office. We need an indipendant that people would listen to. Not a Democat/Republicn Fight fest we currently have....

BighornRam, If I could Debate better on TV, I would

 

[Moosie]

And another thing, for Kerry to say the people in war are there for nothing ? What a Way to Modivate the troops that are Dieing for us. Bush had a Goal, Is doing what he's able to do to "Get 'er done", and doing it. If we'd pull the Camera freaks out of the War zone, Go in , Bomb the Place, rebuild it, I'm guessing it would have taken les time and less money with less dieing.

But we don't have that option do we. One slip of a Bomb wth 2 inocent people dieing and the troops movements are halted. What a joke.......

 

[BigHornRam]

Buzz,

You never played poker before have you? If you did, I bet you lost your ass. It is not a good idea to lay your cards down prior to raising the bet. This is a very difficult issue with hundreds of ideas on how to fix it. If it was an easy fix, it would have been fixed long ago. There is also some resistence to fixing it by some people believe it or not. Why don't you let it play out first, and if it goes down in flames, then you can Bash Bush all you want. If good things come of this I wont be holding my breath waiting for you to give him any credit however.

 

[JoseCuervo]

And another thing, for Kerry to say the people in war are there for nothing ? What a Way to Modivate the troops that are Dieing for us. Bush had a Goal, Is doing what he's able to do to "Get 'er done", and doing it. If we'd pull the Camera freaks out of the War zone, Go in , Bomb the Place, rebuild it, I'm guessing it would have taken les time and less money with less dieing.

Yeah.... Better off motivating the troops like Dubya's Secretary of War Rumsfield did when that guy from Tennesse asked why he had to rummag through landfills looking for scrap metal to armour his HumVee. And Dubya's motivator said, you gotta fight with what you got, now shut up.... |oo

 

[JoseCuervo]

Buzz,

You never played poker before have you? If you did, I bet you lost your ass. It is not a good idea to lay your cards down prior to raising the bet. This is a very difficult issue with hundreds of ideas on how to fix it. If it was an easy fix, it would have been fixed long ago. There is also some resistence to fixing it by some people believe it or not. Why don't you let it play out first, and if it goes down in flames, then you can Bash Bush all you want. If good things come of this I wont be holding my breath waiting for you to give him any credit however.

Paul,
Did you give Hillary the same benefit of the doubt on her efforts to reform Helathcare?

 

[BuzzH]

Moosie,

I'll agree with you on needing an independent in office. Dont make the assumption that I voted for either Kerry or Bush...because I didnt.

They're both equally worthless as leaders of the country and that is a fact.

By the way, if you think Shrub will "get 'er done" in Iraq within the next 4 years, you're the one lacking common sense.

He should have looked at what he did in Afghanistan and what his Dad did in the first Gulf war...if he was really wanting to "get 'er done"...

 

[BigHornRam]

Moosie,

I don't know what your worried about. Based on the the last elections debates, as long as you didn't fart on stage, I think you could hold your own to those guys.

 

[BigHornRam]

"Did you give Hillary the same benefit of the doubt on her efforts to reform Helathcare?"

I never was knew Hillary was President? When and if she is, I'll listen to what she has to offer.

 

[Moosie]

I don't think his dad got it done... left the King standing over thee. By my eyes a big mistake.

I'm not a Republican or Democrat. Hell, sometimes I wonder if I'm straight But I do know that I'm glad I'm jsut a Shmo that likes to have fun . Heading out for the Day and hollidays probaly, this was my one HOORAHHHa for argueing and wasting time on this. Take a look in about hour in the Fireside for my picture of my ram

L8tr days folks................

 

[BuzzH]

Moosie, I can almost agree...he left him standing on a pile of rubble though...and we werent responsible for rebuilding the rubble pile either.

Merry Christmas and thanks for taking time out to "play" with the SI guys...and Paul.

 

[ELKCHSR]

It took what 8 years to get Japan in order and many more for Germany?
Now we are supposed to have this one in order with in a year of the take over?
Come on now, as usuall, history should be looked at if we want to see a little reality of what is to come.
I believe it will come, it just has to be looked at with reality and sincerity to what it really is we as a nation took on.
I think as soon as a lot of the other people in a lot of the other nations around Iraq actaully get to see how the rest of the world lives, there will be changes. Can it happen in one day... I really doubt it, over a period of many years. More like it.
People that get their minds set in one way, even when the truth of the matter is staring them right in the face just won't want to change, because as we all know, change can be scary and it is some thing that seems to be in human nature that we like to keep every thing exactly as we remembered it...
From the world to a nation to this board, it is all the same just an different degrees.
Speeking of degrees, it is pretty cold out this morning...

 

[Nut]

Yea dumbassya is smart Leaves a rumhead in charge who doesnt have a clue on how to end the ongoing war(mission accomplished yea right). I dont have any military experience but I have enuff commen sense to know that what is happening isnt working.


I also see on how he wants to end to taxes on the AMT and pay for it by ending the tax deductions businesses get for what they pay for health insurance for the employees. WTF doenst he see that all the businesses will do then is to not pay any of the health insurance premiums? Then all the employees will have to pay all the cost. I say to make all the dumbass politicians pay for their health costs out of pocket to help the fuggers ideals.

 

[ELKCHSR]

I would fully agree with politicians should pay for most if not all of their little goodies they have slid themselves into.
They all should have to live by the rules they make.

 

[Calif. Hunter]

In these days of microwave ovens, fast food and easy credit, patience and determination seem in short supply. Americans seemingly do not have the cojones anymore for anything more than a quick fix police action. As long as even a few rebels can make any kind of attack, it will be played for all its worth by the news media - after all, they have to sell advertising time, magazines and newspapers, and blood and guts sell. The same thing wore down our will in Viet Nam, at least to some extent. Nightly broadcasts of boys in body bags and the daily casualty count.

 

[ELKCHSR]

Very good post Rick!!!
The thing I see the news media running on right now, is that they have nothing else to judge any thing by, they don't understand any history, except that which they actually saw.
I see some major positives in what we are doing right now compared to then.
Our people are allowed to go in and do their job a lot better, problem is, then-it was the politicians tying the troops hands, now it is the media.
I think they ought to boot 90% of the vermin out of the mid-east and only let the populace see what is necessary. Do the documentaries and what ifs after the show is over,
if this were done, I would see a lot less of our people dying and the job getting done much faster than it is now.

 

[BigHornRam]

Thanks Moosie for giving me a forum to clank swords with smart guys like Buzz and Gunner. They have been learning me a lot. Where's the sheep picture? I must have missed it when I was off line this year. Nothing purtyer than a sheep picture in my mind!

 

[BigHornRam]

Buzz,

You roll through the Democrat talking points like a cheap partisan hack and then say this?

"I'll agree with you on needing an independent in office. Dont make the assumption that I voted for either Kerry or Bush...because I didnt."

So who did you vote for this time? Buzz H? Ralph Nader? The Comie party candidate?

 

[BigHornRam]

Nut,

Your sense of entitilement continues to amaze me.

"Then all the employees will have to pay all the cost."

News flash Nut, unless your a parasite, you pay for your health care no matter how the shell game is played. I would much rather pay for my own health care, with the assistance of say a medical savings account funded by me. This puts a personal economic interest in my health. This gives insentive to eat, exersize, and live right.

 

[Nut]

Your sense of entitilement continues to amaze me.

mmmm I earn that as part of my compensation package for the work No entitlement at all.
I dont go for the welfare dole like ranchers who graze on public lands, timber companies that log on public land,mining companies that mine on public lands, natural gas companies that extract from public lands,oil companies that drill on public lands and such.

But you simply didnt understand what I was stating. Removing the tax break will not cover the cost of removing the AMT since it will be the small businesses who will not cover or provide as part of getting good employees.

It will only take this country down the wrong path one more way by a idiot.

 

[BigHornRam]

Nut,

More the big rich guy beating up on the poor hard working blue collar guy blather.

I used to hire as many as 6 guys. I won't be an employer any more. Too much hassle and not worth the bother when I can make as much money doing less work, working by myself. It's hard to find good employees in this country anymore, and even harder keeping them. Most think they are entitled to a job, whether they earn their pay or not. Unless things change, I will go to a temp agency when ever I need an extra hand, and let them deal with all the payroll and insurance B. S.. If they guy they send is not a worker, I just send him home and ask for a new guy. When the job is done they place him on another job.

At least the "idiot" you refer to, understands the difficulties encountered on BOTH sides of the employee / employer tango and is trying to give the individual more stake in their own outcome. The other camp's belief that you are too stupid to take care of your self so we will do it for you, is not working.

Answer this question. What is the current rate of self employment tax? That is both employee and employer contribution to social security and medicare.