Ryan Busse for Governor?

[4ohSick]

Agree Fox was the best choice, IMO. However, I disagree with the "Red State" comment. We've voted President Red since who knows when... YET we had Schweitzer and Bullock as Blue governors. Polarization makes it more difficult though I'm a prime example... I don't want to vote for Gianforte for the additional FWP appointments to follow. I vote Tester every time and this is a key issue in Montana - Tester, the Democrat leadership give lattitiude to deviate from the national agenda. I give up a bit with Tester on the national level though gain much more on the State level than his prior contenders.
Democrat Leadership need to find another ranch/farm multi generational guy / gal willing to stand the heat of the interrogation light, just as any Republican has to face the heat of the opposition interrogation light. There's no difference between the two though Democrat Leadership threw us a person who's a hot potato!

Our FWP appointments and leadership will be the same or worse, possibly more emboldened because voters will likely vote Gianforte in again simply because he's up against, forget hot, a radioactive potato.

With the money/time it takes to get elected nowadays, the ranch/farm multi-generational guy/gal also needs to be independently wealthy without having to work their land. And those types seem to be the ones on the side of the aisle trying to get their own set-asides, not the ones fighting for the public hunter.

 

[Straight Arrow]

This is what I deserve for using a question mark...; )

Yep ... oft a rhetorical question solicits a detailed response.

 

[Sytes]

With the money/time it takes to get elected nowadays, the ranch/farm multi-generational guy/gal also needs to be independently wealthy without having to work their land. And those types seem to be the ones on the side of the aisle trying to get their own set-asides, not the ones fighting for the public hunter.

Or the smarter caliber people who know first hand what pig slop is w/o being dragged through it. Agree mostly, though they do exist. Montana voters call the shots. It's based on who is presented for us to vote, right? Both parties present the best they find will assume the Governor role. Who is presented to vote is the "hot" topic.

 

[SAJ-99]

Democrat Leadership need to find another ranch/farm multi generational guy / gal willing to stand the heat of the interrogation light...

I will put this in caps because it was missed. WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO SIGN UP FOR THAT? I'm not sure why the Dems have to have a pure Montana blood on the ticket, while Repubs trot out non-Montanans all the time and win big. Tester loses and it will be the end of an era. I don't think either Schweitzer or Bullock would be elected today. I doubt Ronald Regan could win the primary in Montana these days with the current state of the Republican party.

 

[Sytes]

Well, Dems should give up then. Can't find a representative... What a ridiculous concept. They could have kept Jim Hunt in HOWEVER, the primaries are often to work of trench party voters. They want a massive shock change vs Tester type presentation.

Tester has his hands full because Sheehy is a viable contender IDENTIFIED BY REPUBLICANS. You make it sound as though all hope is lost, give up... Heck, if a Governor, born in California can assume Governor - Democrats may need to look at wealthy Montana residents born elsewhere!

This woe is me crap is simply making excuses in advance.

 

[SAJ-99]

Well, Dems should give up then. Can't find a representative... What a ridiculous concept. They could have kept Jim Hunt in HOWEVER, the primaries are often to work of trench party voters. They want a massive shock change vs Tester type presentation.

Tester has his hands full because Sheehy is a viable contender IDENTIFIED BY REPUBLICANS. You make it sound as though all hope is lost, give up... Heck, if a Governor, born in California can assume Governor - Democrats may need to look at wealthy Montana residents born elsewhere!

This woe is me crap is simply making excuses in advance.

You keep deflecting from my point. Reality is reality. I’m not making stuff up. And the reality in MT and the reality in WA are opposite sides of the same political coin.

So it sounds like you are going to run for office as a democrat?

 

[BigHornRam]

The Democrats figured out how to get money out of politics with Busse.

 

[David Gough]

I'm surprised this thread isn't locked yet. Atta' way, gents.

 

[Elky Welky]

@Elky Welky ? Faith the D's picked the best D to kick Gianforte to the curb? As an Independent who's voted Blue governors since Martz, I'm certainly voting Gianforte over Busse though that's a given.

Heck, I'll do you one better... I'll gift you a $250 g/c for your intelligence when you proudly identify Busse as the victor who takes MT Governor's throne this election.
If I'm right, that the voters of MT choose Gianforte (Democrats fault), you gift me a whooping $50 g/c.

Scheels.

Just getting back from my jury trial hiatus. But I'm sorry @Sytes, I'm not a betting man.

I don't disagree with anything you've said about Busse's optics. His book hurts him, but the arguments are more nuanced than just stating Busse is anti-gun (he isn't) and therefore bound to lose (never say never). He's doing a great job of beating GG up over raising property taxes and imposing his culture war views on Montanans. But I wouldn't deign to say Busse's the best the dems could do. If I had my pick, I'd rather some old school dem from Butte ran with Shane Morgeau as their running mate.

Thanks for linking the other thread about the event in Kalispell, appreciate it.

 

[Jock Conyngham]

The question I keep asking myself (and maybe a very naive one): how many plutocrats from Bozeman are Montanans going to elect to lead them?

 

[canadiantuxedo]

The question I keep asking myself (and maybe a very naive one): how many plutocrats from Bozeman are Montanans going to elect to lead them?

The funny thing is the rest of Montana claims to hate Bozeman but then they elect Bozeman Republicans who want to turn the rest of Montana into Bozeman. I’m a third generation Bozemanite and I don’t like any of it.

 

[Labman]

The funny thing is the rest of Montana claims to hate Bozeman but then they elect Bozeman Republicans who want to turn the rest of Montana into Bozeman. I’m a third generation Bozemanite and I don’t like any of it.

And what would a Democrat from Kansas (as if that matters) want to turn Montana into? Missoula…aka mini Seattle?
No thanks.

 

[jimh406]

In case you missed it. https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/lay-off-the-political-bs.325395/

 

[mtmiller]

For your debate needs. Starts at 1400.

Candidates for Montana Governor set to square off in NonStop Local debate

Candidates for Montana's Governor race, Greg Gianforte (R), and Ryan Busse (D) meet Wednesday at the NonStop Local Gubernatorial Debate starting at 2:00 pm in Missoula.

www.kulr8.com

 

[Nameless Range]

I listened to a great Montana political podcast the other day by Jessi Bennion, and the guest was her husband, Jon Bennion - who ran against Austin Knudsen in the 2020 republican primary. Great analysis of the current Montana races, as well as some cool historic tidbits.

The Bennions' 2024 Montana Election Preview

Dr. Jessi Bennion is joined by her husband, former Chief Deputy Attorney General under Tim Fox, to give a preview of the 2024 election in Montana. Jon and Jessi discuss overall trends in the Montana electorate, the state of statewide races, and answered listener questions about the races that...

www.podbean.com

Something interesting that was mentioned was that Schweitzer, Bullock, and Greg Gianforte all lost their first attempts at the Governor's Office. Someone running for the first time against an incumbent has a very steep uphill battle regardless of who they are. If polling is even close to correct, Busse will lose to this November, and I don't even know if a Democrat has much of a chance in the Montana I now live in, but if Anti-Conservation Austin runs in 2028, I hope a strong opponent appears in the primary.

Also, if more Republicans were like Mr. Bennion, the world would be a better place.

 

[Sytes]

If polling is even close to correct, Busse will lose to this November, and I don't even know if a Democrat has much of a chance

They need to stop throwing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks.
I've voted D for Gov since Martz. There are MANY Independent and non extreme Rs that want the same... though Quist and Busse are so far off mark - no wonder the general MT population question Montana Democrat leadership!

I have bile thinking of the big G... though I will vote for him to place as many nails in Busse's political coffin as possible.

I like Sheehy though do NOT want a full red wave of bunker busting Red representing my State. Thus my vote stays with, as it has been since his start, with Tester.

I fear Democrats have been digging their own grave. New MT D leadership needs to step in for optics sake.

D's are no different from R's. Farm a quality D that National will let loose from their platform agenda to represent MT values. If Cooney ran again, he'd have my vote.

Another area Montanans screwed up... when G and Fox were in the primaries - THE OPEN PRIMARIES - D's feared Fox would win vs Cooney! D's didn't vote FOX in. G won... $ won though the election However, the PRIMARIES are not about $. It's about who represents the party.

MT would be a different place with Cooney or Fox. And yes, I would have voted Fox.

And yes... I vote Daines. Always been an open book here.

I want a mix of red and blue. I don't want a blue nor red wave.

Ah, but I digress with one last plea... Change Montana Democrat leadership! Busse was NOT the best chance against G.
/ramble off for now.

 

[Irrelevant]

They need to stop throwing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks.
I've voted D for Gov since Martz. There are MANY Independent and non extreme Rs that want the same... though Quist and Busse are so far off mark - no wonder the general MT population question Montana Democrat leadership!

I have bile thinking of the big G... though I will vote for him to place as many nails in Busse's political coffin as possible.

I like Sheehy though do NOT want a full red wave of bunker busting Red representing my State. Thus my vote stays with, as it has been since his start, with Tester.

I fear Democrats have been digging their own grave. New MT D leadership needs to step in for optics sake.

D's are no different from R's. Farm a quality D that National will let loose from their platform agenda to represent MT values. If Cooney ran again, he'd have my vote.

Another area Montanans screwed up... when G and Fox were in the primaries - THE OPEN PRIMARIES - D's feared Fox would win vs Cooney! D's didn't vote FOX in. G won... $ won though the election However, the PRIMARIES are not about $. It's about who represents the party.

MT would be a different place with Cooney or Fox. And yes, I would have voted Fox.

And yes... I vote Daines. Always been an open book here.

I want a mix of red and blue. I don't want a blue nor red wave.

Ah, but I digress with one last plea... Change Montana Democrat leadership! Busse was NOT the best chance against G.
/ramble off for now.

You say something similar every election.

D will never win Montana again, in any race. Because it doesn't matter who the person is, they'll have a mountain of "national party" baggage holding them down.

 

[Sytes]

You say something similar every election.

D will never win Montana again, in any race. Because it doesn't matter who the person is, they'll have a mountain of "national party" baggage holding them down.

Extremes on both sides have made it pretty damn tough, I'll agree to that though they let Tester mostly run his own Montana narrative with a few uglies over his time.
Schweitzer signed the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act",

There is hope if the D top level Montana and National strategists pull their heads out of their ass.

You may be right though I hope you are not.

 

[Straight Arrow]

There is enough "national party baggage" stinking up the elections from both sides of the aisle.

It's hard to accept that there aren't Montana candidates worthy of office in this state, so wealthy out-of-state wannabe Montanan candidates as well as used-to-be from Montana but then moved elsewhere and returned to claim they know Montana get elected just cause they are rich, then capitalize on their office for personal gain.
Both parties are piss-poor at picking good, intelligent, ethical candidates who want to use influence for improvements for constituents.

 

[Irrelevant]

I'll be frank, if you can't get behind busse for governor as a sportsman then you're more concerned with national baggage issues than local issues. He's literally a public land sportsman's dream candidate. We would kill for someone like him in WA (where he'd be a R).

There's not necessarily anything wrong with voting based on national level topics and concerns, I find myself gravitating that way too, but from the state level GG is the antithesis of everything Montanans claim Montana stands for. He's a city slicker with a cowboy hat. He's trying to turn Montana into a conservative Silicon Valley. For your sake I hope he doesn't succeed. A thriving economy ain't all that it's cracked up to be. We forfeited a shit load of happiness to make a few more bucks here in WA. Now everyone has to vacation in MT to escape the SS we created here. Is that what any Montanan wants? Where are you going to vacation when MT is the new CA, the new CO?

It ain't just D v R, that's the problem.